jahn Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 I have seen in several areas where you allow adult content. However there seems to be a gray area regarding what adult content really is. Tony Winfrey stated "We currently allow adult content, HOWEVER, be advised that it MUST BE LEGAL." Bill Kish however stated that "Adult content is just that - content meant to be seen and viewed by adults. It does not mean pornography." Does this include photos that would be "Rated R"? I'm not considering posting anything illegal of course but rated R material could meet the definition of pornography to some. Basically the content I would be considering would be CG artwork as well as photos of live models. The photos would be similar to those found in Playboy. I have read the Acceptable Usage policy and it just doesn’t quite spell it out clearly. It just says that as long as it is legal then it is ok but then Bill said no pornography. This seems to contradict each other since pornography isn't necessarily illegal. I don’t want to spend the money on hosting and then lose it due to a misunderstanding. Can you please clarify this for me?
TCH-Dick Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 According to Mike We do allow the hosting of adult content as long as it is LEGAL content per US laws. what is and isnt obscene can be looked at many ways, but common sense goes a long way in helping determine what might or might not be considered obscene material for your website.
TCH-Dick Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 That ^^ pretty much sums it up. What you are wanting to host "Basically the content I would be considering would be CG artwork as well as photos of live models. The photos would be similar to those found in Playboy." is legal in the US. (assuming the CG artwork is the same type of images "Playboy" type stuff.)
TCH-Dick Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 Maybe you should email me some examples. I would gladly take a look.
jahn Posted May 10, 2004 Author Posted May 10, 2004 good one. I just wanted to clarify since Bill excluded pornography. That is what threw me off. Just wanted to make sure. Thanks.
TCH-Dick Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 he wasnt excluding pornography, at least that isnt the way I read it. I think he was saying not all adult content IS pornography. Playboy is adult content, some concider it pornography, others dont. An R rated movie is adult content, but that doesnt mean its pornography.
TCH-Thomas Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 Maybe you should email me some examples. I would gladly take a look. lol Damn im not american.
whoahorse Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 Maybe you should email me some examples. I would gladly take a look. LOL! GOOD LORD! Bad Techie! Weezy
whoahorse Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 You know this is an interesting thread. What some people consider art.. others consider trash... LOL Weezy
DarqFlare Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 (edited) This is an interesting, yet explosive subject. Basically, TCH allows the hosting of any legal website, if it contains adult material. If it is operating per the AUP and TOS, then it's all good. No spamming, remember that. We won't, however, add adult links to the Family pages on the site. And we won't allow links to adult websites in the Forums, either. {Edit} (My views do not neccessarily represent those of TCH) I'd like to add, I am a big proponent of free speech. This extends to the big debate about indencency on the radio. If you don't want to hear it, don't listen. Don't be so righteous that you bar others from listening to it. Let them listen. You don't have to. Same with adult websites. Even if you don't like it, someone else might. Let them enjoy the website, you don't have to concern yourself with it at all. Edited May 11, 2004 by TCH-Robert
Deverill Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 I am a big proponent of free speech. This extends to the big debate about indencency on the radio. If you don't want to hear it, don't listen. Don't be so righteous that you bar others from listening to it. Let them listen. You don't have to. Don't you think that this is a slippery slope though? (On either side of the argument.) On the one hand we could censor nothing and instead of singing "I want to hold your hand" the middle school kids are singing "I want to..." uhm, nevermind... you know what I mean... and by hearing it is it not encouraging it as "normal behaviour"? On the other hand, we could censor almost everything and not have the luxuries we have in the US to worship, express, or live the way we want to. Either way it's bad. Personally, I'd like to see us at least keep "moral decay" where it is or reverse it but at the same time understand where that can lead. I just don't like hearing 4 year olds singing "That's not my husband, that just my babby daddy." or see a whole generation of kids that think "it's no big deal" to be pregnant at 14 or sleep with 15 girls before you're 15 or just start shooting because you're having some kind of crisis and kill your classmates. It makes me wonder what's next. Granted our parents saw what we did and said "We're going to hell in a handbasket", but at least to a degree I'd say they were right in many ways. As far as the radio goes... I can see some folks saying "I don't want my daughter to grow up with guys that grew up listening to Howard Sterns" I apologize for the narrow scope of this message to our non-American friends. I must admit I don't know where many of you stand on freedoms that we take for granted. I can only speak from my own unique experiences as having grown up in the best country in the world! (You may feel free to think that about your own country too - it's called patriotism and it's a Good Thing.)
TCH-Rob Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 OK, I wanna play too. This is Rob talking, not TCH. I am a big "turn the chanel" person too but I tell you what Jim, if my daughter was 14 and came home pregnant I would be in prison, she would be in an institution and the boy that did it would be in the ground. That said, if we parents do our job and really be a parent and a roll model for our children then we shouldnt have to worry about them going out with the "Stern kids" or not because we will have instilled in them the knowledge to choose the right path for them. And Dick, make sure I am CC'd on those OK?
TCH-Dick Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 OK, I wanna play too. This is Rob talking, not TCH. I am a big "turn the chanel" person too but I tell you what Jim, if my daughter was 14 and came home pregnant I would be in prison, she would be in an institution and the boy that did it would be in the ground. That said, if we parents do our job and really be a parent and a roll model for our children then we shouldnt have to worry about them going out with the "Stern kids" or not because we will have instilled in them the knowledge to choose the right path for them. I'm right there with you on this Rob. And Dick, make sure I am CC'd on those OK? I'm still waiting on that email.
whoahorse Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 Are we allowed to debate here? I don't want to break any laws. LOL! I don't have issues with adult sites.. I won't have anything to do with them, but I also do believe in free speech. What would happen if people told me that the net is no place for horse photos? WAHHHHHHH I know. Apples and oranges. Anyways, I am glad to see you discussing this and glad it is a subject you all talk about. I am really against having any adult sites in my portfolio, because I am trying hard to build a g-rated web design group of sites. At least the person who started this tread is honest about it all. I wonder how many people try to build these sites and get caught and cut off at the mouse. LOL Weezy
DarqFlare Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 Well, I must admire that TCH will even host adult-oriented websites. It shows a commitment to the customer. It can't possibly be a commitment to the almighty dollar, because we all know how low TCH's prices are! Rock Sign Anyway... I tend to agree with he of the same name as I. Sure, moral decay must be kept in check. But then again, if moral decay was always kept in check, then we'd still have segregation. Women wouldn't have the right to vote. Remember, many usually think that "progress" as we would call it today (Civil rights, etc) is moral decay. When I have children, I sure do plan to make sure they "grow up right." But I don't want to limit someone else's right to speak their mind (Or express it visually, etc), because I don't want someone else to limit my ability to do so. Basically... I plan on teaching my children that sure, those things exist, but it isn't always the best idea to follow them. They can decide that for themselves when they're old enough and mature enough to (Are any of us, really? ;D)... But while they're children, I'll make sure to educate them as to what those things are, what I believe about them, and strongly urge them in the right direction. Let's face it. If a teenager wants to do something, they'll find a way to do it. I should know, I'm not too far removed from that age group (But I was good! Really! ).
whoahorse Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 Good Post Robert! You know I think the biggest issue I have against adult sites is the amount of spam they create. I get way too much spam crap from adult sites. I don't want pills to do this or that, or see this person or that person or any of it! BLECK! Do I send 20000000 mass emails a day telling people they should buy one of our horses? LOL! That's my pet peeve. If they want their dumb sites, fine. But don't spam me with your garbage. LOL!!! I think the only worse spammers then adult websites is people with their dumb logos. I can create my own. I bet I get 10 emails a day from people wanting to create a darn logo for me. I know their is anti spam stuff you can get, and it does work. But then I don't get the other emails I do want. Sorry I went off topic. But to sum up IMO - adult websites tend to be a breeding ground for email spammers. ranting Weezy
DarqFlare Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 Yeah. You're right. That is one of the drawbacks to the adult entertainment industry. That's why they get such a bad rap. I get sick of spam too. Ah, see, this ties in nicely to why this thread was even begun, if adult websites are legal here at TCH. Yup. As long as they don't spam, or do anything else illegal.
TCH-Bruce Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 I am a big "turn the chanel" person too but I tell you what Jim, if my daughter was 14 and came home pregnant I would be in prison, she would be in an institution and the boy that did it would be in the ground. That said, if we parents do our job and really be a parent and a roll model for our children then we shouldnt have to worry about them going out with the "Stern kids" or not because we will have instilled in them the knowledge to choose the right path for them. I am in 100% agreement here.
natimage Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 Just my 2 cents... The way I see it is that what is morally wrong to me might not be morally wrong to someone else. And vice versa. Who am I to morally judge someone? Jesus didn't judge anyone. Have you seen Passion of the Christ? No matter your religion or lack there of...Jesus was a man that walked the face of this earth. He was tortured and crucified...never once judging any of those behind it. That's a little off the topic...but the point is...I can only judge my life, no one elses. I expect that as long as someone abides by the rules set up by the hosting company of their choice (which should definately be TCH), they should be free to create any kind of website they want. Kind of like living in your parents house...as long as you're under their roof...
bellringr Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 Actually, while Jesus showed compassion for everyone, he most certainly did judge certain actions as being sinful and wrong. There is a difference between condemning a person and condemning certain things a person might do. (I'm sure any further discussion of this should probably be by PM ) Going on the base assumption that this universe didn't all come about by sheer dumb chance, I can't have one "truth" and you another "truth." By definition a truth is absolute. So we really just have opinions of what Truth is, some of us right and some wrong, and someday hopefully we'll understand what it's all about
TCH-Thomas Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 Me thinks it would be great if Bill came in to this discussion to answer Jahns original question so we dont have to fight what is wrong and whats not in the world.
natimage Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 (edited) Actually, while Jesus showed compassion for everyone, he most certainly did judge certain actions as being sinful and wrong. Definitely a better way to put it than I did. I agree. And I think the distinction between judging "actions" and judging "a person(s)" is a very important one. No desire to debate here...not today anyway. Just wanted to contribute my "opinion", I suppose! Edited May 11, 2004 by natimage
DarqFlare Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 (edited) Going on the base assumption that this universe didn't all come about by sheer dumb chance, I can't have one "truth" and you another "truth." By definition a truth is absolute. So we really just have opinions of what Truth is, some of us right and some wrong, and someday hopefully we'll understand what it's all about Wow. That was right-on. Nice post... {Edit} In the 2.5 minutes it took me to setup that response, Jik and Nat both posted... lol Edited May 11, 2004 by TCH-Robert
natimage Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 Me thinks it would be great if Bill came in to this discussion to answer Jahns original question so we dont have to fight what is wrong and whats not in the world. I think it was answered within the first few posts...it has to be within the confines of the law to be acceptable by TCH. Other than that, I would guess that if one walks a fine line between legal and illegal...one probably walks a fine line between being hosted or terminated!!
TCH-Thomas Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 I dont know, i guess i just gets confused when reading it again. Happy me not being the original poster.
jahn Posted May 11, 2004 Author Posted May 11, 2004 Wow. Didn't expect all of this. The site will be WELL within bounds of what is legal. I will not be posting links anywhere or spamming anyone to visit the site. I doubt I will even mention it to anyone. It is basically just a site for me to post some of my work. A warehouse if you will of my stuff so that if I want to show someone I can. So Whoahorse, this means there will be NO spamming. Thanks to all for the input Thumbs Up
bellringr Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 No desire to debate here...not today anyway. Just wanted to contribute my "opinion", I suppose! I agree - I greatly dislike debating. `
whoahorse Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 Me thinks it would be great if Bill came in to this discussion to answer Jahns original question so we dont have to fight what is wrong and whats not in the world. BA HA HA HA (funniest post I have read in awhile) LOL! Weezy
whoahorse Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 So Whoahorse, this means there will be NO spamming. Good. I wouldn't want to have to you. LOL!!!! Welcome to TCH! Weezy :hug:
whoahorse Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 did judge certain actions as being sinful and wrong. There is a difference between condemning a person and condemning certain things a person might do. Vedy interesting! I like this. I saved that part and I am going to put it in my email folders of things to read for deep thought days. This is a very interesting thread about adult sites and how people view them... Weezy
TCH-Bruce Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 I think the original question has been answered. Closing thread
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