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It's malformed html at best. I would bet that this is a ban waiting to happen. It's clear that they never meant for it to ever be visible considering the way their page looks - if it were in the body it would wreck the page. I'm sure our resident SEO expert could speak more informedly (nice word, eh? ) on this topic but my feeling is that it's not worth risking a ban even to get top ratings because one crawl could ban you and it is nearly impossible to recover from a ban even after you "fix" it.

Could it be as simple as this? "If you send emails with attachments that are blocked then your email will be blocked - otherwise it will go through?" (it's just a funny, don't hurt me!) I understand everone's desire for options, but I'd prefer the blocks to stay - the inbound protects me and the outbound protects everyone in my address book if I do get infected. TCH is like a family! The members discuss things and based on that Daddy decides! (hi Head Guru!)

My tiny site is averaging about 1-2 visits per day. Not much is changing as far as ratings go, but that my be my fault or Google's. Hang in there, if there's a link to you from another site that Google's hitting he will eventually get there.

Great work! It's good to see folks posting positive messages. Most of the times I have seen "Front Page" used it turns into a bash or a flame war. I'm glad to see the positive outlook on the product. We all have tools we are comfortable with... whether they are the ones most generally accepted as being the most efficient (or best or easiest...) or not... and these tools can make life easier for those willing to use them properly. Your tutorial helps us do that - thanks!

Welcome to the family! The reason you can't make it show the country's name is that the computer doesn't know. The way it decides which country a visitor is from is the ending of their domain name. If it is bubba.it then it's an italian domain. If it is bellsouth.net then it shows under "network" but we can't be sure which country it's from. The same is true of .com. There are several "non country specific" domain endings - .com .net .mil .gov .edu and none of them are specific as to which country. You may have 300 guys from Belgium visit your site but if they are at SomeBelgiumCompany.com you'll never know it. The example you gave shows that you had 453 pages read by people with .net on the end of their domain names, but who knows where they are from.

Indeed it does, thanks for your time and effort. Especially thanks for your unpaid time. I'm know SEO advice is quite expensive and am pleased that you're giving your time and expertise to do it.

Unaffected except for the CPU cycles and bandwidth wasted rejecting virus attempts. But there's probably no visible slowdown. These doggone viruses aren't harmless even if they don't "getcha".

I too have seen the permission change George described. When I use the numbers it sometimes doesn't "get" it all and will change a 775 to a 715. I think it has to do with the numbers because the checkboxes work fine. Borfast did a great job with his explanation... I didn't realize how complex your task was from the original question - sorry to make it seem so over-simplified. My best to all!!!

See, that's why you are the SE-Guru! Even being a fan of wildcards and modifiers I would have never put the last + sign. Thanks for the hint!

Thanks for mentioning the 404 errors - I needed to hear that again. Also, when the SEO Master gets a chance I'd be interested to know if not only 404's hurt rank, but do redirects also hurt it? If I were a search engine and realized I was being redirected I'd suspect someone trying to scam me.

This is a great question for the PHP Open Discussion forum under Scripting, but here's the quick answer from one of my web pages: <?php include $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT']."/inc/PicStrip.html"; ?>

check!

Great discussion guys. I didn't say it in the original message but in my particular case I have an end-user that wants everything to look slick and nice with frequent updates. In the case of the church website I suppose the correct answer is that we want to lose zero folks - the website should reflect the quality of the church and to some it will look like we're fools. I guess the only alternative for now is to go back to tables and do a lot of extra work to move things around - but the PHP includes definitely helps even with tables! Thanks for the input!

This started as a helpful comment in another thread and I wanted to bring this part of it to the html/css section for your opinions. I have a website I reorganized and added CSS-Positioning to keep it managable. The problem is that in IE5.5 and NS4.7 it basically goes nuts. My question is how much does it really matter about the older browsers? I can't even download IE5.5 from Microsoft to see how it looks. The same seems to be true of NS for any version prior to 7.1. Does anyone know of any emperical studies of how many "real people" use these older browsers? How much does the spread of DSL and cable modems in homes impact this for the immediate and near future? I don't just want to say "If you don't have the latest - tough!" but I don't want to waste a lot of time and lose the capabilities of CSS-P for a tiny handfull of folks. Of course, the obvious "next question" is "How far back do I go?" IE5.5, 5.01, 5.0, NS4, further? On my site's hits I can account for about 86% of the hits being the most modern version... then there are the bots at a small percentage on top of that. Another consideration may be "Does the type of my site dictate the 'acceptable loss' percentage?" Especially for things that can't directly translate to lost sales such as a church or rental property. What do you think?

You can use a script (PHP or other) to encrypt the data at the server before emailing it to the recipient and then have the person at the shelter decrypt it with the key to use it. I went to google and did a search on "pgp encrypt php script" and found several options. I've not used any of them but they should do the job nicely and PGP (or it's cousin GnuGP) are very secure too.

442, I don't mind at all! In fact, I appreciate the input. I tried it with the most recent versions of IE 6, opera 7.11 and Firebird 0.6.1. Honestly I did not even try it with the older browsers. "Only" 6.6% of my hits are from older IEs and 4.4% from Netscape it has probably not been a big issue over the past month it has been using the CSS-P, but it is definitely something I think needs to be addressed and since I am now aware of it (thank you) I will look at alternatives. I say "only" in quotes because any lost visitor is a bad thing. This brings up a very good point about older browsers though! The error you mentioned is because of a thumbnail/slideshow script I have started using. It makes thumbnails of the pics in a "thumbs" subfolder by using the graphing library of PHP. It's a really neat script but it seems like my thumbs directory keeps disappearing and I have to reset it. I'll look at that tonight too! Thanks for mentioning it!

The only links I can find "out there" are to the index page so that's not a major concern for me. I guess I'm not being a good internet neighbor by doing so. Hopefully this will be the last restructure and it will also be solid enough for future expansion without restructuring.

URL: Lighthouse Christian Academy Name: Lighthouse Christian Academy Description: LCA is a Key West, Florida child care and education center that is Christ-centered in all it does. Link to TCH is on the home page at the bottom. Rank Evaluation (please and thank you!)

Great explanation ds! Not that I understand all that I know about PR but if you keep that up I may one day! Thanks!

Are the "key pages" the main pages for a particular sub-theme or are they important pages outside that sub-theme? For example, I have themes "General", "Leaders" etc on my church's website. Should the pages under leaders all link back to the Ldrs_index.htm or to the main index page? This theme thing is starting to scare me. I heard that Sears is the biggest seller of lawn mowers in the states but they have terrible ranking for that keyword because they sell so many other things the theme thing just isn't happening on their pages and they get overlooked as being a mishmash of stuff.

Yeah, I hear that there is a really cool and gifted guy doing those evals! You said 22 linkbacks... is that to the lcachildcare.com site? I just entered link:www.lcachildcare.com and got nothing back. Is there another way to check? I didn't realize about the PR3 relevancy connection... thanks! By the way, a really strange thing. I put a PHP script from TCH Forums in there to email me when googlebot crawls through and I got this: August 24, 2003, 10:25 am August 24, 2003, 6:39 am August 24, 2003, 12:03 am All on my home page! He is probably too busy going out and bringing guests to the dance to actually dance with them! Poor guy is all worn out! I'll post on the Add me to the Family section. Cheers!

That's great news! Congrats Borfast! TCH just gets better all the time!

I read Mitch's Jeering Jargon entitled "Website Organization and Accessibility" and thought this may be a good topic to add in the "Family Member's How To's" section. I by no means am an expert but I do want to share the experience I recently had the Uhem! pleasure of enjoying. I am the webmaster of an almost 100 page website that I maintain for my church. The site started as 5 pages about 6 or 7 years ago and has evolved (mutated?) to mamoth proportions. I'm not even sure some of those pages even still exist but it's getting under control! My pastor is one who does everything with excellence and he tries to instill that quality in all of us. That means two things to me: 1. the blob (insert shrieks and cheap scary B-movie music here) that exists can not remain and 2. I have to make it easy to adapt to new directions the ministry takes. Actually adaptability demands a clean site so the cleanup was born of necessity instead of some obsessive compulsion for order I may have (NOT!). It took time but here are the things I did to make this happen: First I looked at the overall site and decided the groups things belonged in such as: General Info Leaders Ministries Web Info When I had my classifications decided upon, I renamed all my pages filenames to reflect that. Beliefs.htm became Gen_Beliefs.htm and Pastors became Ldrs_Pastors. This was the first and most important step in organizing the site. The only thing left unclassified was index.htm. The next thing I did was to create classification "main pages". I created a Gen_index.htm and Ldrs_index.htm, etc. This gave me a chance to tell visitors about the overall category so they knew why they were at that page and so did I. It also gives a good way to link to all the sub pages without putting links on the homepage. Too many links on the homepage is confusing and, as I understand it, hurts ranking in some search engines. Too many times I have created a homepage that looked like a site index - remember KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid. A bit offensive but very true when speaking of my complicated web sites sometimes. Anyway, I have all my images in a folder named "images" but if it got too confusing I could sub-categorize that folder to have images/General/xxx.jpg or images/Leeaders/pastorspic.png. Do not put images in folders with your web page code. It makes it terribly confusing and hard to manage... especially if you use the same image from several classifications. Since I was using Dreamweaver and the template feature in it, all my navigation and title bars are separated from the unique page info by comments "Begin Template" and "End Template". This made the next part easier but it is not necessary to start with a DW template. To get to the part about "easy to maintain" I read all I could here at web hosting by Total Choice Hosting about PHP includes. Check it out in the PHP sections of this forum! Using the PHP include functionality I moved all of my header info (a strip of photos) into PicStrip.html and my navbar into Nav.html. I then created the template file for every page that looks like this (a few things removed for simplicity's sake): ><html> <head> <title>Covenant Word Church - Key West, Florida</title> </head> <body background="/images/Backgrounds/fadebg1.jpg"> <div id="MainFrame"> <div id="Header"> <?php include $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT']."/inc/PicStrip.html"; ?> </div> <div id="Navbar" class="Header3" align="center"> <?php include $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT']."/inc/Nav.html"; ?> </div> <div id="MainBody"> <?php include $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT']."/Content/Min_Computers.html"; ?> </div> </div> </body> </html> This lets me use CSS-P and the div's for placing these pieces of info in the right spots. It also lets me change only the contents of the main part of the window by changing the /Content/Min_Computers.html file and not having to touch any of the nav bar or header bar stuff. Additionally, using CSS Placement, I can change so many things about the site to keep it fresh with minimal effort. If I want the navbar on the right instead of the left it's just a CSS file change. The same for moving the picture strip to the bottom or changing backgrounds or fonts. This stuff is great for future maintenance. I don't know if you noticed or not, but the framing code listed above is in my main directory and the real page info (the guts of it) is in a /Content subfolder. I could break the main and Content folder up to the different classifications, but for now the naming convention is good enough to keep it straight. We'll see how well it works out - in the next few months my pastor will be traveling to London, England as well as Ghanna and the Ivory Coast of Africa and we'll have a special guest speaker in the meantime so I'm sure he'll be emailing us photos "from the field" to put up on the website. If you have any questions about any of this or how it is working out for me please do not hesitate to email me at Jim-AT-jimscomputing.com or use the webmaster link from the site at Covenant Word Church, Key West I hope it helps, inspires or at least humors your web design experience and want to end this by saying a big thanks to TCH for being such a great host and to all the Fam for being so great! You guys all rock!

I agree and would add that the same could be said for Thunderbird versus Outlook! Microsoft! Honestly I am glad Microsoft exists, especially as a programmer, but boy could they learn a few (hundred) lessons from the rest of the world!!!

This is so vastly simplified that it bears only a resemblance to the full explanation, but, as I understand it... Pagerank is based on a very complex formula that tries to measure how important your page is to the world. To do this it considers how many pages point to you, whether those pages are relevant or not, and how many pages you point out too. I guess the theory is that if you link your page to others then you're not that much of an expert, but I'm just guessing. Anyway, if I link my church web page to you it counts for very little since your page is not a churchy kinda thing. If I link my recording studio web page (as if) to you then that counts for more because that's your kind of thing. The "bleed" comes from the minuses in the formula for links from your page to others. The explanation I saw of the pagerank was at www.iprcom.com/papers/pagerank/ which is kinda scary with all the calculations but if you skim it you can get the gist of it without the headache I get from too much math. Hope it helps! [Removed direct link. Sorry, stingy about outbound links. D. Scott Demmin]