Adobe Photodeluxe 2.0

**Mission** · July 1, 2005

I have recently purchased a new PC. I've transferred most of the software from my old PC to the new one. But one program that has been invaluable to me, Adobe PhotoDeluxe 2.0, was a preinstalled program on the old PC -- so I can't transfer it to my new PC. PhotoDeluxe seems to no longer be available, and I really need something comparable.

I guess PhotoDeluxe was the predecessor for Photoshop, or was the budget version. I don't know if I want to invest several hundred $$$ for PhotoShop -- especially since I've seen the interface and it doesn't look as easy-to-use as PhotoDeluxe was.

Who's using something simple that didn't cost as much as your PC?

Mission

**Mission** · July 1, 2005

Hey, I've found a few online shops that carry it -- even a version 4. But I don't know if it's compatible with WinXP -- WinXP isn't listed in the OS for PhotoDeluxe. Anybody know? Thanks.

Mission

**TCH-Rob** · July 1, 2005

Yes it will. You might look at Paint Shop Pro. I have heard good things about it and it is easier on the pocketbook that Photoshop. Talk to Raul and he might say The Gimp is just as good as well. There should be a few options out there, just needs a little searching.

**TweezerMan** · July 1, 2005

Adobe officially stopped selling Adobe PhotoDeluxe 4.0 about 3 years ago. The system requirements for Adobe PhotoDeluxe 4.0 included:

Microsoft Windows 95, 98, or NT 4.0 with Service Pack 5

The fact that PhotoDeluxe 4.0 could run on Windows NT indicates that might run on Windows XP (but no guarantee on that). I would be very hesitant to install and use software that is that old and no longer supported.

It appears that Adobe's replacement product for Adobe PhotoDeluxe is Adobe Photoshop Elements (or maybe Adobe Photoshop Album).

There's a number of different graphics editors available that don't cost an arm and a leg, but whether any of them would suit your needs depends on what features you used in Adobe PhotoDeluxe. In addition to TCH-Rob's suggestions, you might take a look at Google's Picasa.

**TCH-Rob** · July 1, 2005

Picasa,

Didn't think of that. I have seen PhotoDeluxe run on XP so I know it can be done. Still, if it is not supported anymore I might look into other options.

**TCH-Bruce** · July 1, 2005

I agree with the Paint Shop Pro recommendation and Picasa isn't bad either.

**TCH-Thomas** · July 1, 2005

I recommend Paint shop pro too. :clapping:

**TCH-Don** · July 1, 2005

There are a lot of Paintshop Pro user here.

**Mission** · July 1, 2005

There are a lot of Paintshop Pro user here.

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Yes, I seeeeeeeee... Good!

Thanks for everyone's advice! I'll check 'em all out. PhotoDeluxe could do a lot that I never even ventured into. But the things I did use, I used them A LOT: like saving in a few different file formats, different effects filters (neon glow, solarize, blur, sharpen, etc.), the tools (paintbrush, line draw, eraser, smudge, etc.), smart object, changed the backgrounds, changed the dimensions of photos -- simple stuff like that.

Mission

**Prel** · July 1, 2005

Macromedia Fireworks is good.

**TCH-Bruce** · July 2, 2005

Thanks for everyone's advice! I'll check 'em all out. PhotoDeluxe could do a lot that I never even ventured into. But the things I did use, I used them A LOT: like saving in a few different file formats, different effects filters (neon glow, solarize, blur, sharpen, etc.), the tools (paintbrush, line draw, eraser, smudge, etc.), smart object, changed the backgrounds, changed the dimensions of photos -- simple stuff like that.

IrfanView can also do a lot of what you were using PhotoDeluxe to do and it's free.

**Mission** · July 2, 2005

IrfanView can also do a lot of what you were using PhotoDeluxe to do and it's free.

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Cool. I downloaded the trial version of Photoshop Elements 3.0 and will google IrfanView. Thanks everyone!

I've got a newsletter to get out in a day or so and the monitor for my old PC died yesterday so I can't even use PhotoDeluxe on that PC anymore.

Mission

**HunterRose** · September 8, 2005

hello

I have been using PhotoDeluxe 2.0 for some time now.

I have also been running it on my XP machine for the last 2 years.

I like this program a lot and am hesitant to give it up.... For the most part it works Great but-

I just upgraded my RAM. I had 512MB and now have 1GB.

Everything else in my Computer seems to be working just fine- chugging along, happy as can be BUT

now Photodeluxe creates an Error Message when i open it that says:

"There is not enough RAM to open PhotoDeluxe"

Why would it say that?

is there ANY way around this??

Thanks in advance

Hunter

**TCH-Bruce** · September 8, 2005

Welcome to the forums Hunter

All you did was add additional RAM to your computer? Could it be a bad memory chip? You did get the correct RAM for your computer, right?

Try swapping the new chip with your old one. See it that helps.

**HunterRose** · September 8, 2005

Welcome to the forums Hunter

All you did was add additional RAM to your computer? Could it be a bad memory chip? You did get the correct RAM for your computer, right?

Try swapping the new chip with your old one. See it that helps.

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Thats just it - i used Crucial to check my computer for the proper RAM. Both my BIOS and XP acknowledges the new RAM. Everything seems to work just fine. Even my ATI Video player works better (used to like to crash)

Why would Only Photodeluxe bug out???

Hunter

**TweezerMan** · September 8, 2005

That program is *really* old. The listed system requirements for RAM is '32MB'. I wouldn't be surprised if that software doesn't know how to properly calculate available RAM when there's 1GB of RAM in the system, because 1GB is a larger number than the software ever expected to see. If this is the case, I don't know that there is any way to work around the error.

**HunterRose** · September 8, 2005

That program is *really* old. The listed system requirements for RAM is '32MB'. I wouldn't be surprised if that software doesn't know how to properly calculate available RAM when there's 1GB of RAM in the system, because 1GB is a larger number than the software ever expected to see. If this is the case, I don't know that there is any way to work around the error.

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This really sucks cause i am in the middle of a project and cant "buy" and "learn" a new system right now.

I need to finish this - so basically my RAM purchase is useless to me for the next 10 weeks!

Crapola... I know its been covered above in the thread but what do you reccomend for a replacement. I need to composite many pictures from different sources and and use most of the basic filters: brightness/contrast. Color Saturation. **TEXT**, opacity, blurr, etc...

Hutner

And Thank you very much for your help

**TCH-Thomas** · September 9, 2005

Welcome to the forum, Hunter. :blink:

**TCH-Don** · September 9, 2005

Welcome to the forum, Hunter :blink:

For compositing (layers)

I think Photoshop Elements or PaintShop Pro will do that.

**Moonlit801** · September 23, 2005

I have two machines both with xp, one with xp pro and the other home addition. I have six different photo programs including photo shop 6.0 pro and the only software i use to edit is adobe photodeluxe 2.0. yes you can get it to work there are a couple changes you have to make.

Once you install the program, you will have to go to your virtual memory settings in control panel/system/advanced/performancesettings/advanced and change the virtual memory settings, i currently have mine set at 4000 and 4086. That should get you into the program, try it and see if it works.

Once you open a photo that is on your computer you may encounter a scratch disk error. go up to file, prefrence and increase your scratch disk number. if you have a partitioned drive use that as the secondary scratch disk, if not just use c: as the primary and none as the secondary. it should work as i've installed it in about five machines running xp...you get a glitch here and there but it beats not having it at all......

**TCH-Rob** · September 23, 2005

Welcome to the forums moonlit801, thanks for the tip.

**TweezerMan** · September 23, 2005

Welcome to the forums, moonlit801!

**TCH-Don** · September 23, 2005

Welcome to the forums, moonlit801

I am wondering why if you have photoshop

you would prefer adobe photdeluxe?

It does not have that much in abilities or features compared to photoshop.

**TCH-Thomas** · September 23, 2005

Welcome to the forum, moonlit801.

**TCH-Bruce** · September 23, 2005

Welcome to the forums moonlit801

**Mission** · September 23, 2005

Hey, everybody!

I've been in-n-out -- you know me. Remember (in another forum, I think) I said I had to get a new scanner because my old software didn't work on my new networked XP Home PC? Well, my new scanner came with PhotoDeluxe 4.0. And it works GREAT -- it just has a facelift compared to PhotoDeluxe 2.0. It does the same things with the same filters, but actually works better on XP Home than 2.0 worked on Win98.

So HunterRose, if you can find PhotoDeluxe 4.0, cop it and try that! You may have to Google it because it's also "not supported" any longer. But I'm extremely happy with mine, and I didn't have to learn any new software -- all the same filters are all there. I downloaded the trial of Photoshop Elements and it doesn't have all the filters that PhotoDeluxe had. I didn't like the interface of PhotoShop Elements, either.

Mission

**HunterRose** · September 28, 2005

Wow! Thanks guys

I am going to try Moonlit's suggestion

(not sure if i can track down the 4.0 - but will try that too)

Edited September 28, 2005 by HunterRose

**HunterRose** · September 29, 2005

OK

Moonlit - that didnt work for me...

but i have a friend who said he would give me his PDX4.0 - so hopefully that will work...

Any things in this "Facelift" i should be aware of? anything i should be warned about? Excited about?

Thanks again to everyone

**bootstrap** · September 30, 2005

OK
Moonlit - that didnt work for me...

but i have a friend who said he would give me his PDX4.0 - so hopefully that will work...

Any things in this "Facelift" i should be aware of? anything i should be warned about? Excited about?

Thanks again to everyone

HunterRose

Try this as fix to running PhotoDeluxe 2.0 with 1gb of RAM

> right click 'my computer'

> properties > advanced tab > click 'settings' button under performance > advanced tab > click 'change' button under virtual memory > select 'no paging file' and click the 'set' button next to it > 'ok' > 'apply' > restart your computer > enjoy your ability to edit with PD 2.0 once again.

**TCH-Thomas** · September 30, 2005

Welcome to the forum, bootstrap.

**TCH-Bruce** · September 30, 2005

Welcome to the forums bootstrap

**abinidi** · September 30, 2005

WARNING: UNRELATED

TCH-Bruce, What happened to your avitar? I've seen it this way in every thread you've posted to today.

I'll include a screen shot in case you aren't seeig the same thing. I've restarted my browser, and I"m still seeing your messed-up image. Yours is the only one with this problem.

Well, I would have uploaded it, but I'm getting the following error:

THE FOLLOWING ERROR(S) WERE FOUND
The requested file upload failed because suitable permissions have not been enabled on the 'uploads' directory. Please contact the board administrator and inform them of this error.

**TweezerMan** · September 30, 2005

Welcome to the forums, bootstrap! :thumbup1:

**TCH-Bruce** · September 30, 2005

WARNING: UNRELATED

TCH-Bruce, What happened to your avitar? I've seen it this way in every thread you've posted to today.

Not sure what you are seeing but the avitar looks the same to me as it always has. See attached.

**TCH-Don** · September 30, 2005

Welcome to the forums bootstrap :thumbup1:

Thanks for the info.

Bruces avatar looks normal to me.

**TCH-Rob** · September 30, 2005

Welcome to the forums, bootstrap

**abinidi** · September 30, 2005

Not sure what you are seeing but the avitar looks the same to me as it always has. See attached.

Here is what I was seeing earlier; However, it seems to be resolved now. Oh well.

And, for what its worth, I'm now able to add attachments. Hmmm. Wonder what was up....

Edited September 30, 2005 by abinidi

**TCH-Bruce** · September 30, 2005

Here is what I was seeing earlier; However, it seems to be resolved now. Oh well.

I was wearing my shades! :thumbup1:

**TCH-Rob** · September 30, 2005

I think that is a much better picture of Bruce

**TCH-Don** · October 1, 2005

That almost looks like a video driver problem I had on an older computer.

**HunterRose** · October 3, 2005

Okay guys!

I managed to score PDX #4 off of a friend. Overall I do like it better and was able to finish this weeks project with it. However....

It seems to want to crash on me regularly. I have tried a number of different settings for how much Memory should be aloted to PDX... but it still crashes.

At first it was only when i used Text. Now it wont let me open one of mypages at ALL.

**What settings do you reccomend i set it at?? If i set it to more than 65% it says my scratch disk is full which is impossible since i have a 250GB HD (125/125 partition) and I know there is enough RAM to run the stupid thing...

the only other thing i use while using PDX is WMPlayer and sometimes AIM.

FYI- i am making an online comic strip and my average page size is

14" x 20"

EDIT: i am using approx. 60-100 layers per page <rolls eyes - i know i am probably just expecting too much from the program...>

Thanks for all the help

Now with Bootstrap's suggestion - am i better off going back to PDX2?

Edited October 3, 2005 by HunterRose

**perfectdreams** · October 12, 2005

With that many layers, you're better off spending a little bit of cash and getting PSP or Elements (I've got PS 7, but that's expensive, even with CS2 out now). Easy to use (I'm confused with PSP, but that's because the interface is completely different from Photoshop). I haven't tried Elements yet (hoping to get it just for kicks, when we get me my new pc), but I've heard nothing but raves about it, from people who have used a few hundred layers

Good luck with it ... had the program with our scanner, and totally hated it, as did everyone else I know, lol. We'd scan, and transfer it straight to Photoshop

**HunterRose** · October 13, 2005

Well for now it seems to be holding -

I played with the memory usage and the Scratch discs.

i have also started building the more complex panels idividually so that by the time i get to the page level each panel (which might have been ten layers to build) is only 1 or 2 layers by the time its on the full page.

As far as getting PS7 (i assume you are saying Photoshop 7) As i stated before - i can not afford taht in money or time right now as i am in the middle of a weekly comic strip. It is definitely something to consider for the first of the year though.

New Question for everyone - anyone know of any "plugins" that might be useful for a PDX user? i have seen some sites that advertise that their plugins are compatible with all types of programs... but also a lot of them are jsut the same ones i already have....

Suggestions?

Thank you fo revery one

**HunterRose** · October 26, 2005

New Question:

When using Text on multi colored backgrounds it is often hard to read the text.

If a background fades from light to dark - then my white Text cant be read on the lighter parts and the black text cant be read on the darker parts etc.

The two techniques i have used to solve this is

A) typing half my words in one color and half my text in another color (but doesnt help if the gradation is top to bottom...)

:thumbup1: Lay a duplicate tex over the original using contrasting colors - the only problem with this is it tends to come out "muddy"

Does anyone know of another technique? or is there a way to "outline" text??

**dave_the_designer** · October 28, 2005

hunter, not sure what you are using to make the image, photoshop is quite simple to do, there is an effect called stroke which outlines your text, but I guess you arent using that so you can always use the jerry rigged way of outlining text. Create a layer using the same font face and words, but all 1 color (the color you want the outline to be) but make the font size slightly larger so that way it will show from behind your original text. It works ok with small text, but the larger it is, the more distorted it will look because the center will not have the same width outline as the left and right sides. Another possible solution may be to use a drop shadow, again, if you have to do it manually, just create a layer of the text in black with everything else the same, and position it slightly lower and to the side.

**HunterRose** · November 8, 2005

thats exactly what i was trying to describe - before - my point is that lots of times it comes out muddy.

and i do not believe that "PhotoDeluxe" has a"stroke" or "drop-shadow" effect for its text....

that must be only for the full photoshop version....

what i have been doing lately is creating a new layer and then using the rectangle tool to create a box just about the size of the text (maybe a hair smaller) and then using the transparency to take it down -

what happens is that if its a contrasting color (Black/White) it gives just enough cloud for the text to pop out and not get eaten by the image.

meanwhile since its smaller than the text - and slightly transperent (50-60% for example) - it doesnt look too obtrusive to the rest of the image.

Thanks all - by the way i am liking my PDX 4 much better than PDX2....

Hunter

**Mission** · November 20, 2005

thats exactly what i was trying to describe - before - my point is that lots of times it comes out muddy.

and i do not believe that "PhotoDeluxe" has a"stroke" or "drop-shadow" effect for its text....

that must be only for the full photoshop version....

what i have been doing lately is creating a new layer and then using the rectangle tool to create a box just about the size of the text (maybe a hair smaller) and then using the transparency to take it down -

what happens is that if its a contrasting color (Black/White) it gives just enough cloud for the text to pop out and not get eaten by the image.

meanwhile since its smaller than the text - and slightly transperent (50-60% for example) - it doesnt look too obtrusive to the rest of the image.

Thanks all - by the way i am liking my PDX 4 much better than PDX2....

Hunter

You are creating much more complex things than I am -- maybe you should really save up and get a more robust image editor. I love my PhotoDeluxe 4.0 because it does what 2.0 did, plus does it better. I think the experts out here have already stated their preferences so if we PDX adherents need advanced help, we'll probably be on our own. I mean I'm sure they'd help if they could, but they seem to be using more robust programs. I couldn't even figure out the interface on PhotoShop Elements.

Mission

**mora** · December 1, 2005

I have two machines both with xp, one with xp pro and the other home addition. I have six different photo programs including photo shop 6.0 pro and the only software i use to edit is adobe photodeluxe 2.0. yes you can get it to work there are a couple changes you have to make.

Once you install the program, you will have to go to your virtual memory settings in control panel/system/advanced/performancesettings/advanced and change the virtual memory settings, i currently have mine set at 4000 and 4086. That should get you into the program, try it and see if it works.

Once you open a photo that is on your computer you may encounter a scratch disk error. go up to file, prefrence and increase your scratch disk number. if you have a partitioned drive use that as the secondary scratch disk, if not just use c: as the primary and none as the secondary. it should work as i've installed it in about five machines running xp...you get a glitch here and there but it beats not having it at all......

I adjusted virtual memory to minimum 4000 maximum 4086 (that was all the available amount!) and Photodeluxe 2 started, no longer giving the 'not enough ram' message.

But it turns my display black first, and when it comes back the color is set to 8 bits from the previous 32.

After resetting it to 32, everytime I save a picture, it goes back to 8!

**TweezerMan** · December 1, 2005

Welcome to the forums, mora!

**TCH-Bruce** · December 1, 2005

Welcome to the forums, mora!

**HunterRose** · December 16, 2005

Mora -

You are better off just going with PDX 4!

Also for ANYONE who uses these programs - invest in a PDX (any version) "For dummies" book by Julie Adar King (sp?)

Absolutely invalualble.

You can find them for like .75 (plus shiping) on Amazon!

My PDX skillz doubled a day after receiving my copy!!!!

Mora PM me and i might be able to copy the PDX 4 for you....

**Mission** · December 17, 2005

Thanks, HunterRose -- I'll do that! I know I wasn't even using PDX2 to its capabilities. I still don't know what the "layers" are or how to use them. So "much obliged" as we used to say down south.

Edited December 17, 2005 by Mission

**halfwitt** · December 19, 2005

I would recomend MS Paint, thats the program I use for most of my design work. It hasn't let me down yet!

**HunterRose** · December 19, 2005

I would recomend MS Paint, thats the program I use for most of my design work. It hasn't let me down yet!

Problem is -doing the sorts of things i have been doing - Using MS-Paint would be simmilar to building a house of cards while wearing boxing gloves.

By the way - i was asking about "Text" effects earlier. Now i am using PDX4 but this should also work in PDX2.

As we know text effects in PDX# are fairly limited - HOWEVER there is hope.

Type out your text and font as usual. size it the way you want it etc. NOW - SAVE AS.... and save a copy of your project as a !!Photoshop!! document NOT a PDX! (its also a good idea to save as.... normal too).

Close your document.

Now, when you reopen it. All of your text will be recreated as an IMAGE on its own layer!!!!

Yoou can now take that text/image layer and treat it just like any other image layers.

distort it - out line it - fill it with patterns. etc.

**HunterRose** · December 19, 2005

Thanks, HunterRose -- I'll do that! I know I wasn't even using PDX2 to its capabilities. I still don't know what the "layers" are or how to use them. So "much obliged" as we used to say down south.

easy answer to this M is to imagine that each layer is like a Transparency.

you can create up to 99 layers per project.

The benefits of this is that you can move or alter Layer 1 with out affecting layer two.

If you use the menues at the top you can "View-show layers"

EVERY PDX project starts with 2 layers - 1 = your project and 2= text.

(PDX treats text as its own special entity)

Just try this you can adjust and move the text around with out affecting your project at all.

Now for examle if you wanted to copy another picture onto your existing project (say a flower) - you now have 3 layers!

1= Project

2= Flower

3= Text (again is always seperate and always on top of all layers)

Now you can resize, rotate or otherwise adjust the "flower" layer with out affecting your other two layers.

you can even make the flower transperant so that the ghost image sits above or behind your first layer.

i dont know if that made any sense - but take items from your "Hold" area or the "open projects area"

you know that collum on the far left hand side of the screen and just pull them into your project workspace.

you will see that each one sits on its own layer and can be manipulated with out affecting the rest of the image.

open your View-Show layers

it will help to visualize the process!!

Hunter

p.s - if you want to see the kind of stuff i do then you can check out my online comic for free at:

Chapter One:

http://www.tfans.com/talk/index.php?showto...ndpost&p=569617

Chapter seven:

http://www.tfans.com/talk/index.php?showto...ndpost&p=682394

(click at the table of contents at the bottom of any page to see any chapter in the series)

All of these pages were done in PDX!!!!!

**nutmmeg** · January 29, 2006

:thumbup1: I have had the exact problem and HP's only advice was to buy more RAM (I have a one-month old computer with 1G of RAM and almost no new programs added)

I tried this and it's worked perfectly! Thank you Thank you

HunterRose

Try this as fix to running PhotoDeluxe 2.0 with 1gb of RAM

> right click 'my computer'

> properties > advanced tab > click 'settings' button under performance > advanced tab > click 'change' button under virtual memory > select 'no paging file' and click the 'set' button next to it > 'ok' > 'apply' > restart your computer > enjoy your ability to edit with PD 2.0 once again.

**TCH-Rob** · January 29, 2006

Welcome to the forums nutmmeg. I am glad to see this work for you.

**TCH-Bruce** · January 29, 2006

Welcome to the forums nutmmeg

**TCH-Don** · January 29, 2006

Welcome to the forums nutmmeg :thumbup1:

**TCH-Andy** · January 29, 2006

Welcome to the forums nutmmeg :unsure:

**TCH-Thomas** · January 30, 2006

Welcome to the forum, nutmmeg. :unsure:

**Mission** · January 30, 2006

HunterRose wrote: Hunter
p.s - if you want to see the kind of stuff i do then you can check out my online comic

Wow! You are really GOOD at image editing! I knew PhotoDeluxe was a great program, I just wasn't able to get everything out of it. You're an inspiration.

(This thread has gone a LONG way, hasn't it? )

**HunterRose** · February 14, 2006

Wow! You are really GOOD at image editing! I knew PhotoDeluxe was a great program, I just wasn't able to get everything out of it. You're an inspiration.

(This thread has gone a LONG way, hasn't it? )

Thanks for the kind words Mission.

if anyone is interested - Episode 8.5 is a "Choose your Own Adventure"

Here:

http://www.tfans.com/talk/index.php?showto...ndpost&p=760109

(dont ask why its called 8.5)

**GS3** · December 25, 2006

I am sorry to arrive so late to this thread. I love PhotoDeluxe and ran into the same problem and managed to find the answer. Photodeluxe is a great little program for what it does and I intend to keep using it as long as I can.

Indeed, as has been mentioned the "There is not enough RAM to open PhotoDeluxe" error can be solved by either setting Virtual Memory to zero or to a value larger than a certain amount.

The problem is not solved by changing the amount of RAM but by changing the setting for the Virtual Memory. I am guessing that PhotoDeluxe requires a minimum amount of Virtual Memory which is a multiple of the installed RAM and, as RAM grows, so must the Virtual Memory. That or PhotoDeluxe does not account correctly for RAM and/or Virtual Memory, which also could be.

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