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My website is ecommerce and will be using Shared SSL.

I understand that Shared IP is included in $4..$9..plans.

Could someone explain to me what are the advantages of using a Unique IP ?

If I use Shared SSL, is it worth having a Unique IP ?

How much more per month is it ?

 

Thank you!

Posted

Having a dedicated IP would require a dedicated SSL certificate as well since the shared certificate is installed on the shared IP of the server. The cost for a dedicated SSL is $150 per year and includes the certificate, installation, and a dedicated IP address.

Posted

wow...it was real fast ! ;-)

first, I'm not a pro and for me it's not clear the difference between Shared IP...dedicated...unique...static...

Is Rick saying that Unique and Dedicated is the same ?

 

So, what are the advantages of having a Unique IP in regard to Uploading pages and transfering credit card information to me ?

 

Really appreciate your friendliness and fast fast replies! ;-)

Posted

Unique looks like your domain.com to your customers and shared looks like serverxx.totalchoicehosting.com/~youraccountname

 

Dedicated is the same as unique and it looks more professional than shared in my opinion.

Posted
Unique looks like your domain.com to your customers and shared looks like serverxx.totalchoicehosting.com/~youraccountname

 

Dedicated is the same as unique and it looks more professional than shared in my opinion.

 

 

does it apply to PayPal ?

thanks!

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Posted (edited)
Welcome to the forum, elzee   :dance:

 

I believe PayPal uses it's own payment gateway.

 

There are hosts that include Dedic. IP in their plans or for a small fee :blink:

 

When using Mals-e, does Dedic. IP change anything ?

 

Thanks!

Edited by elzee
Posted

We follow the ARIN guidelines when assigning Dedicated IP's to customers. This is required by all service providers, however not all are honest with their IP allocations.

 

If you wanted to take secure orders over your site, you would need to have a SSL certificate. If you purchase a virtual hosting plan, you would be able to use our shared SSL. However, its always best to have your own unique SSL.

 

Welcome to the forums and if you need more help just ask.

 

Bill

Posted

According to www.4-better-business.com the Reasons to have Unique IP:

 

1. Your Domain name should match your IP address.

Google is using a "reverse DNS(domain name system) lookup" to verify sites before they are indexed. The lookup provides ability to locate a domain name using a Host IP address. Websites with Domain names that don't match their IP address are either rejected or penalized.

 

2. The DNS Spam Blacklist.

If a website is on the same IP address as another website which spams, then ISPs might delete mail coming from the "good" websites.

 

3. More and more filters are being used based on the basis of the IP address used to host controversial content. It can result in overblocking.

 

 

I'm afraid that these arguments are becoming accurate and they sound very logical with increased filtering and blocking.

 

Would you offer Dedicated IP for an additional small fee ?

 

Thanks!

Posted

Hi Elzee,

 

I have only taken a quick look at Mals-E and some stores using it, but I don't understand why SSL is needed.

 

From looking at the sites using it, it seems that as soon as you click an "Add to Cart" button you are taken off your site to their site for the processing, ie: calculating taxes, shipping, entering billing and shipping address etc.

 

Again, I just took a quick look, but it wouldn't seem as if you need SSL. Do I have it wrong?

Posted

Hi groovyfish (what a name!;-) )

 

I guess you're right.

But in my last post I was talking about importance of having Unique IP, somebody else's point of view.

It sounds very logical in light of increasing Filtering, Blocking and various Anti-Spyware and AntiSpam applications being deployed to protect websites' integrity, email and ISP's protection.

So, having your own Unique IP adds to your Domain protection and your website's protection.

Plus when dealing with search engines and especially Google with their Reverse DNS Lookup.

Interesting what other people think about that ?

Posted

The simple truth is that there simply aren't enough IP addresses available for everyone to have a dedicated IP address. For that reason guidelines were set up to determine whether there is a legitimate need for a dedicated IP address.

 

There is no problem with Google indexing your site if it uses a shared IP. I have a site that has been in the top 3 on Google for a particular search for a couple of years and it has always been on a shared IP.

 

Reason 2 is accurate and is the reason that we have a zero tolerance for spam. Anyone spamming on one of our servers will be suspended or terminated immediately. We've had very few problems with servers being on blacklists and in the rare case when it happens we are able to get it resolved quickly.

 

I have not seen any cases of your 3rd example. It is possible and would most often be seen on a school network or similar network. Our school network blocks a lot of things and I have never had any problems accessing any site on one of our servers based on IP, only on content.

 

In most cases sites that truly need a dedicated IP will also need a dedicated server or at the very least opt for a dedicated SSL certificate which includes a dedicated IP address.

Posted

Thank you Rick,

Forgive me for being "obsessed" with "UniqueIP" :-)

But the guy who expressed his opinions on this sounds very realistic.

Your site is not affected, but maybe many others' is affected, and nobody suspects that the reason might be the Shared IP and it will be really hard to know

Google just starting with the "Reverse DNS Lookup" and I'm sure it will affect many websites.

Probably Yahoo and Microsoft will soon introduce something similar.

Today IP is 10 digits(?), tomorrow will be 12 digits and it will be enough for all.

Posted

I was interested in your statement;

Google just starting with the "Reverse DNS Lookup"
I searched google for any reference to this, and could find nothing. Can you give me a link to anything on this please?
Posted
I was interested in your statement;
Google just starting with the "Reverse DNS Lookup"
I searched google for any reference to this, and could find nothing. Can you give me a link to anything on this please?

 

 

I found the the list of 5 reasons of having Unique IP on this site:

 

http://www.4-better-business.com/default.a...P_address.htm#2

 

The owner is Tina Simpson - it's on a bottom of About Us page.

Try to contact her to get more details, if you're interested.

Because her list of the reasons to have Unique IP got me thinking and now bothers me too much...oy vei

Posted

I run two business sites both using a shared IP and both are indexed in Google as well as other search engines. Reading that page it looks like they are trying to sell dedicated servers.

Posted

I can see Google penalizing sites if there is no RDNS for their IP since that is common with spammers. All of our server have RDNS enabled so that the IP does return a host name. Many ISPs will block email if the sending address does not have RDNS enabled. I would suspect GMail does this (which is run by Google.) If 87% of sites share an IP as stated in the site you linked, then it would certainly cut down on the usefulness of Google's listings if they don't index them. I seriously doubt the veracity of that claim. Anybody can state anything on the internet. I could put up a site tonight stating that Andy wears a clown hat while watching TV but that doesn't make it true. :dance:

 

The prices listed at that site were much higher than our prices for accounts that would indeed have a dedicated IP included, i.e. a dedicated server or a site with a dedicated SSL certificate.

Posted

Rick, I wasn't checking their prices and I didn't even know that they sell hosting. I got there thru a search on Yahoo for "Dedicated IP" straight to the link above.

 

What if to ask Google about that ?

Posted

I looked back at the questions that started this thread and much of what we have discussed is not relevant.

 

If I use Shared SSL, is it worth having a Unique IP ?

 

The bottom line is that if you use the Shared SSL you will have a shared IP. The shared IP is set up on the shared IP of the server so it will not work with a dedicated IP.

 

That makes the decision between a dedicated SSL or a shared SSL. If you choose to install a dedicated SSL certificate then you will have a dedicated IP as well.

Posted

Elzee, and anyone else that is interested,

 

I found this website that decided to put the Dedicated IP "myth" to the test.

 

http://googledance.ca/index.php?showforum=14

 

They set up 4 domains, two using shared IPs and two using dedicated IPs and are checking them at intervals (they started in March 2005) right now the two domains using SHARED IPs are ranked ahead of the two using Dedicated IPs.

 

Also, they linked to a Slashdot interview with Craig Silverstein, Google's Director of Technology (from 2003) Here is what he had to say:

 

Question: Why in this day and age does google continue to penalize sites that are virtual hosted? With ip addresses becoming harder to get/justify every day why does google discount the relevance of links that don't come from a unique ip address. Please don't just deny it, I think the Internet community deserves an explanation.

 

Craig:

 

I can't just deny it? What are my other choices? [:)] Actually, Google handles virtually hosted domains and their links just the same as domains on unique IP addresses. If your ISP does virtual hosting correctly, you'll never see a difference between the two cases. We do see a small percentage of ISPs every month that misconfigure their virtual hosting, which might account for this persistent misperception--thanks for giving me the chance to dispel a myth!

Posted

Very good Groovyfish !

I'm glad you put to the end my obsession with IP and cleared up for everybody who are looking and will be looking in the future about this issue.

 

I'm really relieved now :P :dance:

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