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[Betty1]

People have to be so rude when they find out you use CuteSITE Builder for your websites?

 

I've actually had some tell me that because I don't use HTML for mine, then I don't deserve to have a domain nor a website.

 

You know, I've tried to grasp HTML, I really have. But I just can't. You won't believe how much time I've spent trying to learn it, but I just don't understand it.

 

I get the feeling that some HTML hand coders are stuck up website owners. I could care less what someone uses to build their websites, as long as they have fun doing it then shouldn't that be all that matters?

 

Why can't some people understand that there are some people who just don't understand HTML. And no, it's not this simple...well everyone can learn it if they try. They think because they understand it, every person on the face of the earth should be able to understand it.

 

I miss the days where the internet was supposed to be all fun. But now with some of the new web site owners and this validation stuff, some think websites should be an exclusive clique' and if you don't live up to their standards, you're not worthy enough to have a website or domain.

[LisaJill]

I've had people preach standards to me - and they don't even have a standards compliant site. It's actually fairly entertaining.

 

There will always be elitests out there. Do I think anyone could learn HTML? Sure, I also think anyone could learn rocket science - it's a matter of time and motivation. I know HTML, I don't know rocket science - I probably never will.

 

As with anything, there will always be people that think they are better because they can do one thing better. I'm sure there are things that you can do better than those people; just let it go, imo. It's not worth wasting time on it - let them waste their time, while you just ignore it =)

 

Ultimately, you'll be the one having fun. =)

[TCH-Thomas]

I use CSB myself. I´ve never heard anything like that. I hear questions like "What is CuteSite Builder", but nothing like that.

Dont take what that %¤&¤/ person said personal.

What I would do is to ask them a bunch of questions that "experts" should find easy to answer. Then he/she will probably give you a long and very complicated answer which you reply to with "Ah ok, in CSB you just do this (give a short answer) and boom its done."

Edited October 10, 2004 by Jikrantz

[Betty1]

Normally I don't let it get to me, but I just had someone post a thread on a discussion board for something I'm a part of called The Fanlistings...it's a site where you apply to have a fanlisting listed there and there can only be one fanlisting per subject. And well let's just say this person was extremely rude because she HTML hand codes all her sites and I don't.

 

 

It's funny, I've actually seen alot of CuteSITE builded sites that actually look ten times better than some HTML hand coded sites.

 

What I really feel like telling these people are:

When I want your opinion on my website, I'll ask for it.

 

And my fansite for the television show, Charmed, is one of the most visited Charmed sites on the internet today. And that was built using CuteSITE builder. Something with such a simple look and it's been very popular for me.

[TCH-Don]

As a hand coder I can tell you that CSB is a great progam

it creates code that is readable in ALL browsers and lets you concentate on the task.

The detractors do not take the time to see how it works or why it creates the code the way it does.

 

I code by hand because its fun,

some people use a hand saw because they enjoy it,

I use a power saw, because I want the job done now.

 

Its all a matter of what you want to do and what you want to concentrate on.

So pay no attention to them.

[TCH-Thomas]

I've had people preach standards to me - and they don't even have a standards compliant site. It's actually fairly entertaining.

Agrees 100%. I have been in exact same situations many times. In one of those times our friend TCH-Don (I didnt know about TCh back then) told me "Dont listen to them". I stopped listening, and did I feel good. I sure did. Especially when checking this peoples site with different code-checking programs, and found that many had more errors than mine.

 

I dont consider myself stupid, I have very often very bad luck when thinking, but no I am not stupid, but html, php etc are things just too complicated to learn 100%. I know a little and I learn more and more everyday. Until I reach those 100%, CSB is my pal...everyday.

[Betty1]

As a hand coder I can tell you that CSB is a great progam

it creates code that is readable in ALL browsers and lets you concentate on the task.

The detractors do not take the time to see how it works or why it creates the code the way it does.

 

I code by hand because its fun,

some people use a hand saw because they enjoy it,

I use a power saw, because I want the job done now.

 

Its all a matter of what you want to do and what you want to concentrate on.

So pay no attention to them.

So, while they're pulling their hair out trying to make sure their site is readable in all browsers, I get to sit back and just enjoy making my site.

 

Now, I think they're just jealous.

 

 

Thanks Don.

[LisaJill]

*nods* I enjoy coding by hand as well. I also validate my pages. I started that because I had an error in the page that I couldn't figure out - validating helped me find it. Then it was such a feeling of accomplishment that I kept at it.

 

But I started off using Dreamweaver at a job - then I couldn't afford it personally so I just started doing it by hand as I didn't like the smaller packages available at the time.

 

Whatever you enjoy doing is what you should do.

 

As an addendum: using CSB (or any package, or hand coding) doesn't ensure your site is viewable to everyone; I'll always think that's important to test for the best results, but that's another topic. =)

Edited October 10, 2004 by TCH-Lisa

[TCH-Dick]

blahhh just give us a link to their site and we can all have fun finding errors that you can toss at them

[Deverill]

Hi Betty. There has been "those kinds of people" for years. It's totally stupid! I can and have hand coded. I use Dreamweaver for most of my stuff. I have used hand-coding tools like HTML-Kit. I've even used Netscape Composer and MS Word to make web sites.

 

The facts, as I see them, are:

• There is no special skill to hand-coding.
  
• The greatness of a site has nothing to do with the tool used to create it.
  
• Standards compliance is good. More folks can read your site.
  
• If you want to make a website for Toyota you better learn it all. If you just want to have fun then ignore all the elitist snobs.
  

It makes me think these people have no self esteem and in order to make themselves seem better than others they manufacture inadequacies based on the one thing they can do - hand code. I just broke several boards this weekend by smashing my body into it so does it make Don a goofball because he uses a saw? Of course not! (I study Taekwondo in case you wonder why I do that. )

[AlanV]

I personally hand code (always have, always will... I like the control it gives me over my code), HOWEVER, I have nothing against people who use site builder programs.

 

I've used Dreamweaver and Netscape Composer before, and I find the code they generate to be wasteful. Maybe it's just me and my malformed HTML :-P

 

Anyway, Betty, you should ignore anyone who says you don't deserve a website. The web is here for everyone to use how they see fit (within the confines of the law, obviously). If you want to get a domain and publish your site using Frontpage (FP is the one site-building program I AM against because it's so anti-standards... but I still have nothing against people who use it), go right ahead

Some people take the web way too seriously. I don't know why people are threatened by "fun" websites...

 

And remember, we were all newbies once. Almost everyone out there has used a program at one time or another. Some people just keep using them... others migrate into hand coding. Nothing wrong with either.

[AlanV]

As a hand coder I can tell you that CSB is a great progam

it creates code that is readable in ALL browsers and lets you concentate on the task.

The detractors do not take the time to see how it works or why it creates the code the way it does.

 

I code by hand because its fun,

some people use a hand saw because they enjoy it,

I use a power saw, because I want the job done now.

 

Its all a matter of what you want to do and what you want to concentrate on.

So pay no attention to them.

So, while they're pulling their hair out trying to make sure their site is readable in all browsers, I get to sit back and just enjoy making my site.

 

Now, I think they're just jealous.

 

 

Thanks Don.

That's a good point, Don.

 

I've totally dropped support for IE from my site because it interprets HTML so different from every other browser, creating a need for me to do a couple hours of extra tweaking to make things compatible with it.

People who use creation programs don't have that problem because their code is always standards-compliant.

 

I won't even pretend that the code I write is standards compliant, or even close. :-P

[oompahloompah]

I agree totally with Jim. There have always been 'those kind of people'. I handcode myself too but it boggles me when people think that website builder applications such as CSB are more inferior to handcoding. I think it's just absurd to look at it that way when you can do things in a shorter and faster way.

 

I handcode because it's faster for me at times as the program poses too much of a restriction for me but I've also used website builder applications when I want a quick HTML template up and running, and then delve into the nitty gritty of it, and modify what I need if the modifications aren't too much.

 

People who like HTML are the same sort of people who like Assembler language. It's like a Field Marshal running around the battlefield telling each and every soldier what exactly they should do and then bragging about it being so much better than having a hierarchy of command where the details get sorted out by those in the lower command.

[TCH-Rob]

I just broke several boards this weekend by smashing my body into it

 

Sounds like fun. Can I throw your body against some lumber too? Remember BloodSport? Remember when Van Dam broke the brick and Chong Li said "Very good but brick not hit back"? Breaking reminds me of that sometimes.

 

I hand code and use an editor. Depends on what I am doing and the time I have. Nothing against either one, whatever makes you comfortable. Harley, Honda, hey, if it gets you there and your boat is floatin' then good on ya.

[oompahloompah]

Alan, you've dropped support for IE on your site?

 

That's mighty courageous considering the amount of people that uses IE in the world.

 

If only they have a tool that naturally optimises a webpage to a particular browser, then we could have a javascript that redirects users based on their browsers and just send them in the direction of those optimised pages.

[danceswithscissors]

Betty, I hand code my sites. Always have, ever since that first one I started in 1995. Why? Because I can't figure out how to use programs like Cute Site Builder and all the others. I'll never be a rocket scientist either. My brain just doesn't work that way, it won't absorb what it needs to know to use all those neat programs. ( Oh hush up Rob! - LOL ) I feel like a total idiot at times, but at least I can type out the code I need.

[oompahloompah]

High-five, Jana! Me too. I did it from handcoding first and then switched on later to website building utilities. It boggles my mind how much longer it actually takes to click on the B button which signifies bold than to just type out the corresponding tags. And even then, I had to go around hunting for all those tags.

 

Nevertheless, some of the useful utilities that I've found with them are things like Imagemap utilities and the likes.

[AlanV]

Alan, you've dropped support for IE on your site? 

 

That's mighty courageous considering the amount of people that uses IE in the world.

 

If only they have a tool that naturally optimises a webpage to a particular browser, then we could have a javascript that redirects users based on their browsers and just send them in the direction of those optimised pages.

I'm getting my site visitors to switch to Firefox or another non-IE browser.

I toyed with the idea of just doing <? die("You're using IE"); ?> for a while (which would refuse to load any part of my site for IE users), but figured it'd be easier to put a huge reminder at the top of all my pages.

http:/www.alanv.org

See?

 

But yeah, I'm the webmaster for my dormitory website, and after IE forced me to spend two hours rewriting otherwise perfect code (I actually followed standards! I think... I should validate it sometime) so it would show up, I just declared my site non-IE friendly.

 

For example, I know my new site skin doesn't show up correctly in IE. Good.

 

And you can write a script (Javascript or php or otherwise) that redirects based on browser. But then you'd have to do two versions of your site... one for IE, and one for every other browser in the world.

 

Firefox is up to 4 million downloads! http://www.getfirefox.com

[oompahloompah]

i like that php insert! please do it.

 

what with the new vulnerability with malicious-code-inserted images, it would probably be all the more a good idea not to use IE anyway these days. you're absolutely right.

[stevevan]

I've done sites using everything from CSB to Frontpage (Yuck! ) to Homesite. You'll get people with all kinds of different viewpoints. I just let them slide and keep in mind what I have in my signature block.

 

Some people just gotta brag I guess!