borfast Posted March 29, 2003 Posted March 29, 2003 Hi everyone. I just noticed that MySQL 4.0 is finally released as stable and so I started wondering how long would it take for people starting to implement it in their servers. Along with that thought came the same question about Apache 2.0: it's been out for some time, now. Why isn't it widely used yet? AFAIK, it's much better than Apache 1.3, so why isn't everybody upgrading? What about you guys here at TCH, are you planning on upgrading these servers or keeping the "old" ones, and why? Quote
Lianna Posted March 30, 2003 Posted March 30, 2003 Borfast, Not ignoring your question here, just don't really know the answer. I am fairly certain that the upgrades will happen, but the question of timing still remains....I can tell it isn't happening today. Lianna Quote
darkwoof Posted March 31, 2003 Posted March 31, 2003 I'm not so sure about mySQL v4, but when I downloaded Firepage's phpDev for development use on my machine (I'm still a newbie now), it was on their web site that Apache 2 was out but not as stable as 1.3... perhaps that could be a reason... not sure about now though. Quote
Head Guru Posted March 31, 2003 Posted March 31, 2003 We have no immediate plans to push those upgrades. We will notify you when we do. Quote
borfast Posted March 31, 2003 Author Posted March 31, 2003 (edited) Bill, I'm not in a hurry to see you guys upgrade. The servers you have installed do their job well What I would like to know is why don't people upgrade their servers. Not only here at TCH but on most servers out there. I'm just curious if theres any other reason besides the "the current software does what we need and does it well, so we won't waste our time upgrading to newer versions just because they have some speed improvements and/or new functionalities - which we might not even use". For instance, mod_ssl is only available for Apache 1.3, there's no version for 2.0. That could be a reason, I guess. And please, don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing you guys or anyone for not doing it! I'm just cusious about it PS - yay! my 100th post! :D Edited March 31, 2003 by borfast Quote
bethohio3 Posted March 31, 2003 Posted March 31, 2003 There are some really good reasons for waiting until an upgrade has been out a little while before installing it: Server updates take time, for one thing--often with the server *down*. Server updates (except for security issues) may not buy much by the way of new features Server updates may break *other* pieces of software, so that the server that is *down* for the update maybe *down* even longer while the *other* software is being investigated and upgraded. The sysadmin team may not even be aware that some other piece of software just got broken by the update. That means that *we* (the customers) find the breaks, and then report them one by one. There may be problems with the update itself--it could be buggy. On the other hand, if the hosting service waits until the software update has been available for a while: If there are bugs in the software update, they will have been found and patched (that also means the team can install *both* updates at once, rather than two separate possible server downtimes and installs Other teams will have discovered what software the update might break and what the fixes are But the hosting company can't wait so long that not having the software creates problems. Updates and patches that fix security issues need to be installed right away (and that might mean another patch that has been postponed has to be installed first) Major upgrades in functionality need to be updated in a timely manner. For example, any hosting company that did not start supporting FrontPage 2002 extensions would be losing business Medium upgrades in functionality need to be updated in a timely manner, too. For example, upgrades to PHP and MySQL need to be made about the time new software apps are released that use those upgrades. I was recently asked my opinion about several web hosting companies. My first response was "Just go with TotalChoice--no need to look further", but I did look at the other companys' websites. One of them was running CPanel 4.0. TotalChoice is running 6.0. To me, that was *too* big of a discrepancy. A hosting company that gets that far behind on their software concerns me--do they also get that far behind in their hardware upgrades? Are they putting adequate money back into the business? So, there are lots of factors to weigh. There are updates that *must* get made immediately. There are others that can (and should) wait. My hat is off (or would be if I wore one) to the Head Guru and his team for making those decisions well. --Beth Quote
Lianna Posted March 31, 2003 Posted March 31, 2003 (edited) PS - yay! my 100th post! Hey! Very cool! ...but if you're going for my job, you have about 1100 more to go! Edited March 14, 2004 by TCH-Raul Quote
borfast Posted March 31, 2003 Author Posted March 31, 2003 Nice answer from Beth, there I keep forgetting about how important it is to install only tested software in a system on which lots of people depend... The problem is that everytime a new version of some software package comes out, I get all excited just thinking about the new functionlaities it must have Thoughts from a Linux lover who never administered a big system before... Lianna, as for the post count... I guess I'll have to start making extra hours here at the forum. I'll PM you when I get up to 1200 Quote
tastewar Posted April 1, 2003 Posted April 1, 2003 Hmmm... That will be in about 916 2/3 days from now (02 Oct 2005), at your current rate of 1.2 ppd. At which point Lianna will be at 8635, at her current rate of 8.1 ppd Quote
TCH-JimE Posted April 1, 2003 Posted April 1, 2003 Hmmm, most of the posting gets done on US time when I am sound asleep! Maybe I need to brand about TCH more around Europe Jim Quote
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