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web safe is the 216 color palet using jumps of 3: 00 33 66 99 CC web smart uses a larger palet with jumps of 1: 11 22 33 44... Lee

try this... http://www.verchi.com/tech/html/colorchart.htm Lee

It's never too late to mess with HTML! You should have no problem fixing the html on that. What you are doing is fairly similar to my top nav bar. Here is a link to a test page with just the nav bar. http://www.verchi.com/test1.htm this is what the code looks like ><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> <td width="470" bgcolor="ffffff"> <center><img border="0" src="images/b.gif" alt=" " width="1" height="2"></center> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="470" height="16" bgcolor="cccccc" align="center"> <font size="1"> </font> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="470" bgcolor="333333"> <center><img border="0" src="images/b.gif" alt=" " width="1" height="2"></center> </td> </tr> </table> I'm just using colors a tad different from you to create a 3D effect but otherwise this is exactly what you want to do. Lee

Actually there is a tad more to the problem. The googlebot sees the two links, the original page and your redirect link, as two seperate pages with identical information, so it deletes one of those pages from it's database. It tends to make the selection at random so you have about a 50/50 chance of killing the page you are linking to in google and taking it's place in the google standings. This is known as a google redirect hijack. I'm sure google will fix this eventually but that is how it works now. Lee

Here is another page you might find interesting http://www.verchi.com/prose/wind.htm Those dorian columns are actually tables and they show exactly the same in NN, IE, or FF. I often use a transparent, 1 pixel gif file, dimensioned to the size of the line I want. But you need to suround it with center tags every time because if you don't it sometimes adds space in some browsers. Lee

Ok...first off you can't use the cellpadding or cellspacing in tables if you want things to look the same in every browser. Some add the padding to the inside, holding your width and height while reducing the content text. Others add that spacing to your dimensions. Some browsers require some form of content in a cell before they will even show the cell at all. You can pick up more tips about the differences in my html tutorial http://www.verchi.com/tech/html/index.htm I particular check out the page on tables Lee

Oh Wow! Nice trick! I didn't know you could do that Thanks Lee

Oh don't I know it. I hate it when I am reading over one of my articles I have had online for two years or so and I find some horrible typo. My only consolation is seeing errors just as bad in the newspaper on a fairly regular basis. At least I know I'm not alone Lee

The American registry of internet numbers has a nice whois page that will tell you who owns an IP number http://www.arin.net/whois/index.html and the whois source will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about a domain http://www.whois.sc/ You can also track visitors nicely using the last visitors function in Cpanel

and if you are looking for a good link for the suicide section of that list... http://www.verchi.com/health/suicide.htm Lee

Don't feel like an idiot...I only knew the answer because I have done that so many times myself Lee

You missed the end quote after STYLE="text-decoration:none that should fix it Lee

It's ok to be obsessed with getting listed in DMOZ. The problem lies in where people focus their obsessive energies. If the dog won't eat what you feed him, don't try to force-feed him...offer better food ] Many people make the mistake of submitting sites to DMOZ before half the links on their home page are even connected. Such first impressions are hard to overcome. The best way to get listed in DMOZ is to hold off submitting until your site is complete, with original content and design, and is the very best you can make it. I'm a bit over cautious in that regard. The site I am currently working on, verchi.com, isn't ready yet. I still have a lot of work to do. The framework is there but I am still installing and organizing content, and refining the style and navigation.

When I set out to publicize a site, I make a detailed log of exactly when and where I submit it. I then go through that log every six months, checking the status of the submissions and, if necessary and appropriate, resubmitted with updated information. If possible, I include a note with the submission about recent updates to the site. This is just standard professional advertising methodology. The power of DMOZ is not in the normal use of the entire DMOZ database. That alone will have a negligible effect on google. However, what often happens is that, when someone decides to build a site about, say, hummingbirds, one of the first things they do is build a link page to other sites about hummingbirds. Many of these sites simply extract that one section out of DMOZ, sometimes adding links from other sources to create a "definitive link page" on one particular subject. Because of that, your site ends up linked by hundreds, if not thousands, of small individual sites depending on the popularity of the topic. That has far more influence on google than simple DMOZ directory copies. And the effects of this extend far beyond google. Someone researching hummingbirds is just as likely to follow a link from a list on another hummingbird site as they are to follow a link from google. Not only that, but as they move from one site to the next, checking link pages, your site tends to build name recognition. DMOZ is a key place to be listed to start this chain reaction linking process. The initial effect on google is usually small but it builds significantly as the link spreads. Lee

My previous domain was listed by DMOZ as a "Newhoo Cool Site", which gave it showcase status as one of the best sites in a category. What I found interesting is how many link lists and search batabases were based on that listing. I could tell because every time I submitted the site to a different search site (yahoo, google, DMOZ, Netscape), I used a different description for my site. So when I came across my site in a different link list or search engine I could tell where the information originated by the description along with the link. Of course things have changed in the past few years since then and I haven't been keeping up, so I don't know if this is still the case, but I found that if you got listed on key lists, like DMOZ, you would eventually end up listed in every list on the net including many small private sites. So it isn't just one link. That one listing in DMOZ got me hundreds of links to my site from all over the web. That will raise your google score significantly. Lee

Thanks Thomas I moved the link over to my HTML Tutorial pages. I think it will work better there. Lee

link: www.verchi.com Name: verchi.com Description: The Online World of Lee Reitz Use: Personal/Commercial multipurpose Your link is on the home page Thanks Lee

Well, the way it is set up, you can call a single image using straight html with img src="counter.cgi". If you were to use multiple images you would need an img tag for each digit and the counter program would have to somehow keep track of them through multiple requests. It could probably be done, but it would be a monstrosity. Lee

I don't use them so much as a counter, but as an integrated psychological element of interactivity on the page. Or, more simply, it adds a bit of life. The problem with most counters is that they stand out too much. I like to have complete control over it so I can match the image to the exact font and colors of the page. I generally integrate it tightly into the page design with something like "Welcome visitor number 159732". I could use the counter program they have if I could add my own number sets to it. Lee

What does this do, exactly? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The fly program is so named because it creates gif images "on the fly". You have sets of number pictures 0.gif through 9.gif. The counter program sends the list of picture files needed to the fly program. The fly program then joins those files into a single .gif file. And returns that file to the page as an image. Lee

I would like to run my own hit counter program. I am assuming that the counter program offered in cpanel uses the fly image generating program. Is it possible for me to access fly with my own script and, if so, where is it located? And, if not, can I install fly on my own site. I generally write all my own perl scripts from scratch. It just gives me a lot more control. Thanks Lee

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