Firefox

**mike** · September 13, 2004

Can anyone, ( Raul ? ), tell me why I get no sound on my Firefox 0.9.1 browser?

**borfast** · September 13, 2004

Hi Mike.

First of all, let me tell you there's a newer version of Firefox available (0.9.3) which fixes some security problems, so I'd recommend you upgrade your instalation.

As for the sound problem, if I'm not mistaken, Firefox by itself is not supposed to have any sounds (like the «tick» IE does when you click a link), so I'm assuming you mean you get no sound when using some plugin or web pages with background music. Am I correct?

Can you provide a bit more information?

**mike** · September 13, 2004

Sorry.

Yes, I am referring to pages with background music.

Will I need to uninstall present version first?

Will I lose settings then?

**TCH-Rob** · September 14, 2004

Dont know about the sound but;

Will I need to uninstall present version first?

Will I lose settings then?

Nope, install it as is and eveything will work as needed.

**borfast** · September 14, 2004

Well, I never had any problems with background music but if you can tell me the link to the problematic page, I'll investigate it.

**mike** · September 14, 2004

thanks guys.

Where do I get the firefox upgrade?

the page that doesn't play on my browser is:

vfwpost759.org

**TCH-Rob** · September 14, 2004

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

On that site there is a <bgsound src="blessusa.mid">.

I cannot get it to play even though it is supported by Firefox.

**TCH-Rob** · September 14, 2004

Might try this for sound;

http://s87991771.onlinehome.us/bgsound2embed/

**arvind** · September 14, 2004

You will need to uninstall the previous version, you will not lose any data. The firefox upgrade procedure has been perfected in 1.0PR but not in previous versions. If you just install over you may face weird bugs....

**borfast** · September 14, 2004

By the way, there's new versions of Firefox, Thunderbird and Mozilla on the lose :dance:

As for the sound question, I'd say it's because the <bgsound> tag is not part of the HTML standard, and perhaps Firefox is ignoring it but I'm not sure

**arvind** · September 14, 2004

Yeah the new Thunderbird is amazing, holding off the Firefox update because I don't want all my uncompatible extensions getting disabled !

**borfast** · September 14, 2004

Arvind, are there incompatible extensions with this release? I thought that from 0.9 onward, the extensions would be compatible :\

**mike** · September 14, 2004

So if the background sound tag isn't standard, even though it works with IE, how should it be in there to work with FIREFOX?

**TCH-Bruce** · September 14, 2004

You need to use the EMBED tag and not the BGSOUND tag.

Have a look at this page as it explains it.

http://www.eurekais.com/brock/bksnd.htm

**allaboutmadonna.com** · September 14, 2004

I'm using Firefox 1.0 Preview Version and everything is working just fine ...

There are some very cool new features like live bookmarks etc.

The only problem is that all old extensions are disabled :-(

**mike** · September 14, 2004

Thanks, Bruce.

Informative page.

However, when I put the embed tag in ( <EMBED SRC="esbfinal.mid" AUTOSTART="TRUE" HIDDEN="FALSE"> )

it scrambled the background where it wanted the player to come up and claimed the page loaded but with errors ..... in IE.

In Firefox, the music played but it was all blotchy where the player was supposed to come up.

With the Meta tag both came up with the virus warning window asking if I wanted to download the midi file. Don't think people want to deal with that.

So I went back to the old bg sound ao at least those poor IE users can hear the tune.

Thanks for the help though.

I will have to study up on firefox a little more and the embed tag to see what's happening.

**TCH-Bruce** · September 14, 2004

Mike, try changing HIDDEN="False" to HIDDEN="True"

**TCH-Rob** · September 15, 2004

You will need to uninstall the previous version, you will not lose any data. The firefox upgrade procedure has been perfected in 1.0PR but not in previous versions. If you just install over you may face weird bugs....

No issues for me but if I uninstall it how does it know what my settings were? Or does it not really uninstall?

**LisaJill** · September 15, 2004

The thing you quoted, Rob, says that you will not lose settings when you uninstall (you poor PC users ) The reason for that is it stores settings ina profile folder that does not get removed on uninstall ; so you don't need to remember the settings.

At least that's how I read it. I upgraded but I'm on OSX so there's no real install process, just copy the program hehe. =)

**TCH-Rob** · September 15, 2004

Oh, thats great software. I have to delete files after uninstalling it to completely remove it. Makes perfect sence. Whatever was I thinking.

I am going back to BSD this weekend, time to start using real software.

**borfast** · September 15, 2004

I'm back. Sorry for being absent, yesterday was a complicated day... :\

Mike, note that the <embed> tag is not a standard tag either, and so, although many browsers do support it, if you want to make your web page "future-proof" (that is if you want to make sure it will work on future versions of browsers), you shouldn't use it, you should use the <object> tag instead.

Rob, if you're going to install a new OS and have the time/patience, give Yoper a try. I've been reading some reviews about it and everyone says it's lightning fast compared to every other linux distribution out there.

**TCH-Bruce** · September 15, 2004

Oh, thats great software. I have to delete files after uninstalling it to completely remove it. Makes perfect sence. Whatever was I thinking.

I am going back to BSD this weekend, time to start using real software.

Rob, I know you are just joking here but there isn't an installer I know of that will remove files created after an installation. Just wanted to point that out for others that may read the thread.

**TCH-Rob** · September 16, 2004

Rob, if you're going to install a new OS and have the time/patience, give Yoper a try. I've been reading some reviews about it and everyone says it's lightning fast compared to every other linux distribution out there.

Raul,

But it is "Li"nux I want "U"nix. Y? Because we like you. M-O-U-S-E.

Bruce,

Who is kidding? If I uninstall something I want it gone. No files hanging behind like little chads at the voting booth. Then again, it is Windows so I guess I have to live with it.

I am not totally giving up MS, just dual booting. I still need some things for work.

**borfast** · September 16, 2004

Well, yesterday I installed Firefox 1.0PR and it has at least one new feature which I love: when you press CTRL+F ("Search on this page"), instead of popping up a window where you'll input what you want to search for, it will open a little bar at the bottom, just above the status bar

I also didn't have much of a problem with extensions. I have 12 extensions installed (Web Developer, Single Window, Image Zoom, OpenBook, Sort Bookmarks, User Agent Switcher, JavaScript Console Status, Open Java Console, Allow Right-Click, Nuke Anything, Magpie and Duplicate Tab) and the only ones that are not compatible are Sort Bookmarks, Javascript Console Status, Open Java Console and Duplicate Tab.

The only one that I kind of miss is the Javascript Console Status (if there's something wrong with a script on the page you're viewing, a tiny red cross will appear at the left of the status bar) but when a new version comes out, Firefox will automatically update it - yes, the extension updater finally work!

Rob, as for your Unix desire, BSD is not Unix either, it's BSD

I'm serious, both BSD and Linux are derivations of the original Unix.

But BSD is still more "Unix" than Linux, so...

You should give Solaris 10 a try (Sun is going to make it open source ), it's a "true" Unix system. I never tried it myself but but from what I've heard, it's one of the best

Version 10 will have a ton of new cool stuff, like a hardware failure detection system, a new revolutionary filesystem, the ability to run unmodified Linux binaries and a lot more. I'm curious to see what they're up to

Edited September 16, 2004 by TCH-Raul

**TCH-Rob** · September 16, 2004

Rob, as for your Unix desire, BSD is not Unix either, it's BSD tongue.gif
I'm serious, both BSD and Linux are derivations of the original Unix.

But BSD is still more "Unix" than Linux, so... smile.gif

You should give Solaris 10 a try (Sun is going to make it open source wink.gif), it's a "true" Unix system. I never tried it myself but but from what I've heard, it's one of the best smile.gif

Version 10 will have a ton of new cool stuff, like a hardware failure detection system, a new revolutionary filesystem, the ability to run unmodified Linux binaries and a lot more. I'm curious to see what they're up to smile.gif

Raul,

My comment was just to see your response but I will look at Solaris for the heck of it. Might be fun.

**TCH-Bruce** · September 16, 2004

Raul, CTRL-F is nothing new. It was in previous version and is also in IE.

Rob, I have used several installers since we sell software for a living. The intaller creates a log file when it installs listing every file it puts on your system. When you use the uninstall feature it can only remove what it added to your system during the installation. So any files you create running a particular application are outside the realm of the installer. Thus they are not removed when you uninstall.

Of course an intelligent developer (myself has done this) can forcefully remove the entire directory that it was installed into regardless if there were files created after the installation. We do this for our demos but don't do it for the registered version.

Edited September 16, 2004 by TCH-Bruce

**borfast** · September 16, 2004

Rob, just to see my response? :huh:

Bruce, what I like isn't the shortcut. I already knew that and I use it since I can remember

The thing I like is the fact that now you don't have a search dialog popping. Instead, you have a tiny search bar at the bottom of the browser, just above the status bar

Edited September 16, 2004 by TCH-Raul

**TCH-Bruce** · September 16, 2004

Sorry Raul. Guess I should read the entire post before responding! :huh:

**TCH-Rob** · September 16, 2004

Raul,

I like picking on you because of your intense need to convert the world over from the dark side. :huh:

**borfast** · September 16, 2004

LOL :huh:

Yeah, I know sometimes I'm a bit feverous but hey, you don't need to be saved, you already use something else other than Windows and that's enough for saving your soul

Seriously now, I do have the opinion that Windows and MS are very bad in many ways but I totally respect someone's opinion if he/she wants/needs to use their software.

Besides, most of my comments regarding this matter are only half-serious, I'm always joking

Edited September 16, 2004 by TCH-Raul

**Deverill** · September 16, 2004

Raul, I like the new way of doing finds too, especially the hilight option, but when I tried it the first time I didn't notice the bottom of the screen and thought it was broken! :huh:

Lotsa good things happening.

**borfast** · September 16, 2004

Yes, I thought about that too, Jim.

I just happened to look at the bottom of the screen and noticed the search bar but I think lots of people will not see it at first.

**TCH-Rob** · September 17, 2004

Tried to install Solaris 10, got a bad install and it trashed all of my partitions. Having the foresight I do I had no backup of my Win files on the other partition. Looks like I have to install the newest version of FireFox from scratch now.

All that data....gone

**borfast** · September 17, 2004

You're kidding, right??

Doesn't Solaris have a non-destructive drive partitioner??

What happened?

I did something similar, once. I was going to install Linux but by mistake I selected the "server" instalation option and I didn't read everything, especially the part where it said that it would delete every partition and take over every hard drive for the instalation. And I didn't have any backups, either...

I hate it when things like that happen! Mad!!!

And I feel kind of guilty, since I'm the one who suggested you'd try Solaris... Sorry... :\

**TCH-Rob** · September 17, 2004

I already had a spare partition set for a dual boot, Win 2K and whatever. Solaris install is cake, easy to follow. Maybe I spead through it but I put it in the empty partition. Upon boot I was getting a slew of errors after choosing Solaris and it wanted to reinstall. I then tried to get to the Windows partition using the Solaris boot loader and it would stall.

The regular recovery wouldnt work. I am going to load the default windows installation. Make an iso out of it. Burn it on disk and then try again. I just wished I hadnt lost all my mail. Oh well, the joys of computing.

At least I get a clean install of FireFox right?

**Deverill** · September 17, 2004

Rob, you're the one that wanted to completely uninstall Firefox.

**TCH-Rob** · September 17, 2004

Rob, you're the one that wanted to completely uninstall Firefox.

OK smart butt. I didnt think I should have to Fdisk to do it.

**TCH-Thomas** · September 17, 2004

Since you are talking firefox here... :lol:

When I installed firefox, it placed 2 icons for it in start menu:

Firefox

Firefox (Safe mode)

When am I supposed to need the safe mode icon and why?

**borfast** · September 17, 2004

Thomas, the safe mode is usefull for when Firefox doesn't want to start. For example, with 0.9, if you'd install more than one extension before restarting it, the next time you'd start it, it would crash. The solution was to make it start in safe mode, uninstall the still uninstalled extension, restart firefox in normal mode and install only one extension at a time.

**TCH-Thomas** · September 17, 2004

Ok, so with no extensions installed and if no problems I dont have to use it?

**borfast** · September 17, 2004

That's it, no need for safe mode unless something is wrong and you can't start the browser, for instance. Think of it a bit as Windows' safe mode :lol:

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