ValeryAyapov Posted August 10, 2004 Posted August 10, 2004 Hello, Going to install Plone cms to upgrade all sites on my reseller account. I just hope, that one of you have some experience... I really like TCH service and hope that such installation is possible. The idea about changing hosting provider to one of those Zope-oriented hosters terrifies me I need only one installation - or a kind of step-by-step guide, just to understand how, and than I'll do the rest by myself. Appreciate any help... Quote
borfast Posted August 10, 2004 Posted August 10, 2004 I tried Zope once, a long time ago but I didn't like it much at the time. Perhaps because I didn't have the time nor patience to explore it properly and see its true potential but one thing is for sure: I know Zope/Plone is one of the best CMSs out there and I'd like to give it another try, so I'm downloading the latest version of both as I'm writing this and I'll give it another go. As for your question, try The Zope Book. It has a chapter dedicated to installing and starting Zope. Quote
ValeryAyapov Posted August 10, 2004 Author Posted August 10, 2004 Hi Raul, Oh, yes agree that Zope is not the straight forward solution. But as to cms - it seems that Plone is really good (check out http://www.plone.org) I have one site with TCH account - 400-500 pages of plain html... Really need some CMS. A long ago, actually. Thanks - Got the book, reading something about installing Zope on Linux with binaries. I am not strong in this... Thats why I am a bit overhelmed... Do you think that Zope installation will run on TCH? If you find out, that some of TCH customers run the thing, it will be a good news. And by the way, do you think one from TCH team could help me to get the installation done? And then you can add the step-by-step to your faq list or so, to share the thing with community... What do you think about such an arrangement? I'll provide sample domain on my reseller account for this... And all assistance possible. Than again, asking about it because the task is relatively easy for pro, while seems to be complicated for me (its the first time I jammed within almost 7-8 months with my TCH living). Quote
ValeryAyapov Posted August 10, 2004 Author Posted August 10, 2004 Continue my blogging... Got some how-to's... Not shure that it's about my problem, seems like. Zope and Apache http://www.zope.org/Members/regebro/Zope_and_Apache Putting Apache in Front of Plone and Zope http://plone.org/documentation/howto/HowToApacheSSL httpd.conf http://plone.org/documentation/howto/HttpdConf But it is not clear for me - just never done such things before. I can even wait for a week - maybe you can find out some lucky person, who know something on the subject about Plone/Zope installing to share? Quote
ValeryAyapov Posted August 10, 2004 Author Posted August 10, 2004 Yes, Raul... If you share your upcoming experiments with Zope/Plone - it will be cool Ok - going to read the manuals and play with local Plone installation on my old Win2000. Quote
borfast Posted August 11, 2004 Posted August 11, 2004 OK, I just gave up for today. The book talks about a binary package, which is available for 2.6.x versions but I can't find any binary package for the 2.7.x versions, except for the windows one - which won't work on my computer or TCH servers, since both run Linux. So.... I tried compiling Zope from source. The usual *nix thing of ./configure && make && make install but this one is a bit more tricky. Zope has its own webserver and if you want to run it using another pre-installed webserver (which is our case), you have to do some weird mambo-jambo that is not working all that well here. If I run it with its own webserver, all goes well. Anyway, there's a bigger problem here, which is the inexistence of a binary package of the latest version - unless I'm missing something really obvious. This is probably a showstopper, because you won't be able to compile Zope on TCH servers, since the needed tools are not available on a shared server environment. The only chance I see is that you can compile it on a computer running Linux and then upload the binaries to your account - but something tells me that wouldn't work... Well, as I said, I give up for today. Tomorrow I'll give it another try. Quote
TCH-Rick Posted August 11, 2004 Posted August 11, 2004 From looking briefly at the docs it appears that mod_rewrite and mod_proxy are both required. We use mod_rewrite but mod_proxy cannot be compiled into Apache on shared servers. It would require a dedicated server to use Zope and Plone. Quote
ValeryAyapov Posted August 11, 2004 Author Posted August 11, 2004 Thanks Raul for trying! Thanks Rick for opinion! Yes - we need some time... maybe dust settles... I suppose that somebody from Zope/Plone community probably could help. Hey - a great chunk of the web is on shared hosting running apache... But this trick with Zope over Apache - really a kind of mambo-jambo. And agree with Raul - maybe we missing something really obvious. If it is the case, than we move - if not, and things are really as complicated as we can see - than let it be as is - and left Zope down the road:( We are living in the world of multiple choices:) For example - apache's native forrest, lenya cms, and other cocoon based solutions. I have a glance - but those solutions not from "click-and-go" camp. You know deadlines is everything these days - no time for coding unfortunately. Than again - I am still have another CMS to choose from... Any ideas? I have basic needs for cms - nothing special (need to maintain 400-600 pages website, one-two content editors, mostly articles publishing). Maybe one of you know CMS wich is TCH-friendly? (I need free, most projects are non-profit yet, and I have many projects) Yes, I prefer proved-cool-"clean" solutions - as all of us... I must think out how to resolve the case. I have some time - a week or two... You know autumn - the world is going to return from holiday and plug the brain into holy web;) Quote
borfast Posted August 11, 2004 Posted August 11, 2004 (edited) Well, I talked to a friend of mine last night and he confirmed me that installing Zope in a shared server is really really tricky if not impossible. Add to that the fact that you need to compile it and, as Rick said, that it needs mod_proxy, which cannot be installed on shared servers and I guess it's time to say goodbye to Zope/Plone On the other hand, you can take a look at this thread about CMS's here on the TCH forums. Take a look at the systems and websites mentioned there. And let me add one that I forgot when I replied to that thread: Typo3 - very very powerfull but also very very complicated. Let us know how it goes Edited August 11, 2004 by TCH-Raul Quote
ValeryAyapov Posted August 11, 2004 Author Posted August 11, 2004 Hi Raul! Reading about Typo3... And You know what.. Forget about Plone... You save me a months of trial! It seems that this system is right for my purposes. Very clean and elegant CMS solution... And it is run with apache - native, quotation from system requrements: "Web server - Apache is recommended & preferred" - love song. As to complexity - it seems that the system worth it. And there different "complexity classes". In typo3's case even the documentation is very complex but clean and straight. That's it! Soo, hope to post a links to the improved sites of mine soon. Thanks Raul, thanks Rick and everybody! Really adore TCH team! Rock Sign The case seems to be closed - happy end (or start for me). Quote
borfast Posted August 11, 2004 Posted August 11, 2004 Well, if you do have the time and patience, then Typo 3 can indeed be a very rewarding system I hope you manage to get everything up and running like you want it to Quote
Rajio Posted August 13, 2004 Posted August 13, 2004 I'm having a go at installing Typo3 and i encountered the following message: Memory Limit below 16 MB memory_limit=8M is it at all possible to raise the limit of PHP scripts? Without raising it, it doesn't look like Typeo3 will work. Quote
borfast Posted August 13, 2004 Posted August 13, 2004 Typo3 will work but they recommend you set PHP memory_limit to 16 MB just in case you run a very popular website. It should work just fine with only 8MB, give it a try and let us know how it behaves Quote
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