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I would like to Know if I create a subdomain for my site. Does the submission to search engines count from my main domain. That is to say if I submit my subdomain will my main site get pentialized for to much submission or does a subdomain act as a new site??

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I think the answer is: it all depends. It depends on what you are submitting ... only your home page, or several or all pages? I would suspect that if your subdomain is acting almost as a separate web site, you woul want people to go to it separately, and therefore, you should submit it as if it was a separate web site.

 

-kw

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By most accounts (see word of caution below), subdomains are considered separate from main domains and are thus indexed separately. This particular situation can be good and it can be bad (relative to search engine strategy). It really depends on your particular situation.

 

If you would like, give us more information regarding your situation and I would be happy to comment.

 

Example: TCH had the forum and help sites as separate domains. In a very established site (established with regard to the search engines) that would be fine, actually potentially beneficial in that they would each have established rank within the search indices. The three domains would 'feed' each other from their individual page rank via external linkage.

 

However, in a site that is not well established (among the search engines) and contains limited content (literally number of pages and quantity of body text), subdomains would not be in the best interest. In the case of TCH, all three are now part of one greater site which now has deeper content, more content and more internal links. This will aid in higher search engine rankings.

 

Word of caution: there is a potential for penalty (spamming) if one were to set-up subdomains with redundant content. In other words, if you are going to set-up subdomains make sure that the content of each is indeed different.

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Now you've got me curious,

 

My site structure has a main page www.greatfolios.com and 6-7 other pages of content, additionally I have a gallery on the main site that link to individual "folios" (portfolio photo collections) for each of several photographers and models all under the main site. then I have sub domains setup to make it easier for an artist or agent to "direct dial" a particular folio without the propagandist front door entrance. ie www.greatfolios.com/billmccord (actually sub domain to http://www.greatfolios.com/./html/billmccord.html)

 

Are you saying that this is going to hurt my ranking? if so should I move the individual "folios" to the sub domain directories? would this help?

 

Interesting,

 

Bill McCord

 

ps: I am not submitting the subdomains to the search engines, just the main page, and none of the links on the site refer to the subs, just the html directory versions.

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Bill:

 

I do not see a problem with your structure (assuming I understand it).

 

You have www.yoursite.com/folder/modelA

 

There is an internal link to the above page (using the above path).

 

You can reach that same page by modelA/yoursite.com

 

There are no internal links to the above page using the subdomin name as a link.

 

P.S. Where is your TCH link on your page? :D (Link to TCH here)

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I really need to take english lessons :D , you said that so much easier than I did, and yes you do understand it correctly.

 

As a reseller, should I still link to my host? :D (it's not that TCH doesn't deserve the credit, but....)

 

LMK B)

 

Bill McCord

 

www.greatfolios.com

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As a reseller, should I still link to my host?

 

I understand the contradiction but, if you love your host (insert heart icon here), there is a 'stealth' way to do this (and it would greatly be appreciated).

 

Create a small gif, say a line at the bottom of your page separating the very bottom links from the rest of your page. Then, create a hyperlink from that gif.

 

Only the shadow... oh sorry, only the spider would know! :D

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Insert innocent whistling sounds here.... it's on my main page, can you find it?

 

Thanks for the advice....

 

Bill McCord

www.greatfolios.com

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Bill:

 

I like the whistling.

 

(bottom right corner of film strip :D [i cheated though, searched html])

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ok more info what i am tring to do is use a subdomain as a place to put my reciprocal links in stead of having them all on my main site. If I can use a subdomain as a seperate site I will be able to get them indexed that way

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... use a subdomain as a place to put my reciprocal links in stead of having them all on my main site.

 

Actually, this is not a bad strategy from strictly a selfish point of few. I am using the term 'selfish' not as judgmental but truly with your own interests in mind. A subdomain, or from the search engines point of view; really a single site, that only contains one or a few pages containing links will not be considered a site to index. Thus, none of the reciprocal links will benefit from your site pointing to them (again I am only speaking relative to the search engine, they will obviously benefit from visitors who uses them as direct links).

 

The other advantage is that the only external link from your site will be the one pointing to the subdomain. As opposed to all the reciprocal links being external links from your site. As I have stated in other threads, external links actually bleed page rank from the page they link from. Therefore, in this scenario, you have less bleeding. It is actually a clever idea. On this same level, some web masters/optimizers disguise external links by using JavaScript (which are not 'considered' by the search engine spiders). However, there is present discussion that this might change, JavaScript links would be considered.

 

Having said all of this, I personally do not due or recommend any of the above. Too deceitful in my opinion (now see, I am being judgmental). If you are willing to add a link to someone's site, add a 'real' link. Discriminate the links you add so they will be both useful from a search engine optimization point of view, but more importantly from the point of view of your visitor.

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ok so I should put links on my site to the subdomain and make them part of my site. My Intent is not to be decietful. I do want the link partners to gain credit. just did not what my site full of links.

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I do not understand... what is the advantage in putting links in a subdomain?

 

I would just simply create a page (e.g. www.mycoolsite.com/links.html) and have my links on it (maybe even in a logical order with headings, etc.).

 

The simplest and (in my opinion) the best way.

 

It might be my ignorance or non-understanding of your specific situation but I really do not see an 'advantage' to a subdomain. If there is, please explain.

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I see what you are saying. To get the most from my links page I should live it in main directory. And there will be able to be spidered. thanks

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kippez:

 

I think you may have a misunderstanding of subdomains. You can certainly have multiple directories to organize your files. For instance, I always have a subdirectory entitled jpeg and one called gif. This way, at least, my graphics are somewhat organized.

 

A subdirectory is not a subdomain.

 

I think this misunderstanding has lead to some of your confusion.

 

From the help pages ( http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/help/id49.htm )

  • Subdomains are a way of setting up separate accounts within your master account, and can be accessed as separate URLs.
     
    Let's say that your web site's name is www.johndoe.com. If part of your business has to do with vacations, you may wish to setup a subdomain called 'vacations', and have people go directly to: vacations.johndoe.com instead of www.johndoe.com/vacations.

P.S. kw, arn't you proud of me, I used help! :D

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Yes I do understand What you are saying but my point was why could you not use the subdomains as a point of building your link popularity. It can be used and you are still giving your link partners a link in your domain. You are not cheating anyone. You set up let say art,promotion, internet&computers set these up as subdomains and place links of related content to these subdomains. then have the subdomain indexed giving credit to others as well as your self.

I do not see anything wrong with that. But I understand your point about having a site indexed with just a bunch of links on it. But what if you used let say doorway pages to act as the front think then you may be able to have the subdomain indexed. It is Because I would like to seperate my reciprocal links in categories rather then have mixed links on one page I have a lot. My point I was thinking of my link partners.

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OK, I just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page.

 

From Google's own mouth:

  • Quality Guidelines - Specific recommendations:
     
    Avoid hidden text or hidden links.
    Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.
    Don't send automated queries to Google.
    Don't load pages with irrelevant words.
    Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.
    Avoid "doorway" pages created just for search engines, or other "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.

My recommendations would be to create a directory for just the links (no subdomains). Break the pages up by subject or whatever. Only reference the main links page once from your 'main site' (and to be honest, best if not your home page). From an internal link structure, this would simply be a single linear branch coming from one of your main pages.

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Ok I see, Why do you say only one link seems if more links to the pages more likely would be noticed. Or I could just setup a php link directory The links could be spidered that way. That way the links could be on sql and not ont a link page the links in the directory should also be spidered right or wrong. And if I were to use the subdomain way I would be better just setting every one up as a whole site because that way the search engines will not be considering that spamming them. Or I could Just set up a directory for each subject and have the link page stored in the. or have one directory and place each subject page into that directory. I just would Like to know why you say one link in main site

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