George Posted March 13, 2003 Posted March 13, 2003 Yes, I'm a dummy newby... ...and I don't undestand what is allabout "propagation" Can some charitative soul give some educating meanings? Thanks in advance, George P.S.: I have just sign a recommendation of your support service even if my domain name is still in process of "propagation"... and I must enter thru a numbered address (is this is what it's called an IP address?) and not using our domain name... Quote
SEO Posted March 13, 2003 Posted March 13, 2003 'Propagation' has to do with getting an IP address (the 'numbers' associated with a URL ) loaded on all the name servers. For a new domain, this is just a matter of time before they pick it up. For a transfer, this has to do with all the name servers updating their files (IP addresses are cashed [i.e. stored]). Transfers can actually take longer then new domains. I have had to notify certain servers to update their files when I have moved client's sites. A pretty good basic explanation can be found here. Hope this helps. Quote
George Posted March 13, 2003 Author Posted March 13, 2003 Sorry, but it seem that I'm more dummy than you can imagine... I don't get it: I have the "the 'numbers' associated with a URL " as you write it... but why I still can access using my domain name until it "propagate"? On March 11 I buy a hosting plan. I get the NS address and indicate to my domain registrar where the server are allocated... ( I hope I express my self OK). From the registration service (GoDaddy, in thsi specific case) I get the Ok with this message: "The modifications you requested for the domain GRUPO-AVVA.COM were successful. The nameservers for GRUPO-AVVA.COM are now: NS5.TOTALCHOICENETWORKS.COM,NS6.TOTALCHOICENETWORKS.COM But until now I can't enter to my web site using the address... only the numbers that TCH give me... So, where is this propagation occur? (I feel like talking about a virus...) Thanks for you understanding and further advise/help... g. Quote
SEO Posted March 13, 2003 Posted March 13, 2003 Did you go to http://computer.howstuffworks.com/dns.htm, it really does explain it quite well (go through all the pages). Think of this way: If I ask somebody to deliver something to a specific address: 321 First St., New York, NY (or in the case of the Internet; 123.456.789.012 [an IP address to a specific machine]), it will be delivered... the address is 'known'. If I ask somebody to deliver something to D. Scott Demmin, they would say 'who?' They would have to access a database and cross reference D. Scott Demmin with a 'real' address. With the Internet, 'access a database', means accessing a Name Server. Not until all the Name Servers have yourname.com (and the associated IP address), will the request yourname.com be properly resolved. Again, I encourage you to read the How Stuff Works link above... they explain it better and in more detail. Quote
George Posted March 13, 2003 Author Posted March 13, 2003 Thanks dear david (a wise king name), I'm doing this for the last half an hour... in the meantime I HOPE ALL THE NAME SERVERS ARE GETTING MYDOMAINNAME.COM... I was thinking that the information in digital form travel a lot faster... I want to show my colleagues that my election of TCH was the best choice... Thanks again g. Quote
Lianna Posted March 13, 2003 Posted March 13, 2003 George, you really do already have a good handle on what's happening. The missing piece..... About every internet service provider in the entire world has 'database' of its own that has a list of all domain names and their related name servers. When you change your name server information with your registrar, that change must "propagate" or distribute to every one of those ISP's lists. Now, the tricky part is that it is up to the ISP to determine when and at what frequency they will update their list. This is what creates variation in the amount of time that propagation will take. http://GRUPO-AVVA.COM does take me to your site. My ISP has the correct information updated in their list now. Two things you can check if you still aren't getting the domain name to resolve: 1. Clear your cache, delete temp internet files (using Internet Explorer, this is under Tools> Internet Options) 2. From a dos prompt, ping your domain name and see if you get resolution. Open a command prompt (usually, Programs > Accessories > MS Dos Prompt or Command Prompt) . Type: ping grupo-awa.com It should resolve to the IP address that you've been using. If it cannot resolve the name, then your ISP's list is not updated (probably). Lianna Quote
SEO Posted March 13, 2003 Posted March 13, 2003 Thanks dear david (a wise king name), Good guess. Definitely not a king, nor wise (although Lianna and others 'in the family' are helping), it is a name. I guess 1 of 3 isn't terrible Your welcome and... welcome to the family. Quote
George Posted March 13, 2003 Author Posted March 13, 2003 Thank you all beautiful people, I have done all the good things recomendd by our sweet Queen HerPost Magesty Madam Lianna... the answer to my ping it's Ok but what it is finding is the tempral hosting of the domain name at GoDaddy my registrar... I think I have no choice but to keep waiting... g. Quote
TCH-Rick Posted March 13, 2003 Posted March 13, 2003 Bienvenido, George. Espero que todo vaya bien aqui. Quote
Guest Guest Posted March 14, 2003 Posted March 14, 2003 Thanks and Gracias! I'm like a future father waiting for his wife to deliver... I still can't get to our web site using the domain name... just the numbers provided by TCH... My directors are impatient... to see thnks working... and I will try to install for them a limk to the NeoMail in the first page so they can access their e-mail when in travel (they do that a lot). Then I will need to include a power point presentation in the web site... (I don;t know 'how to do it but... I'm going to investigate as our PostQuenMadam, dear Lianna cleaverly sujest... I try to write in English but spanish is also good... I try to practice my english because I never laearn english... is just from "investigating"... G. By the way, what is the meaning of LOL? Quote
SEO Posted March 14, 2003 Posted March 14, 2003 By the way, what is the meaning of LOL? reir en voz alto Quote
Lianna Posted March 14, 2003 Posted March 14, 2003 Self-taught English is difficult and you are doing VERY well. Muy bien. Lianna George - try this translation tool from Google as a learning tool or to translate those more difficult statements. (Lo utilicé para traducir esta declaración.) Quote
George Posted March 14, 2003 Author Posted March 14, 2003 Dear TCH Forum Friends, The "propagation" as finished... and now our TCH's web site start its life... ( i have put a link to your home page). (It's my pleasure). Now I need a little help: I have put a link for the directors to access with their passwords to the WebMail zone and use the NeoMail when they need. My problem is: how to make the link back to the home page after they close the NeoMail? Any ideas? (or I must post a new thread?) Thank you a lot in advance. G. Quote
TCH-Rick Posted March 14, 2003 Posted March 14, 2003 One option would be to have the webmail open in a new window. Then when they close the email window they would be back in the main site. You can do that by changing the a href="http://www.grupo-avva.com/webmail'>http://www.grupo-avva.com/webmail" to a href="http://www.grupo-avva.com/webmail" target="_blank". Quote
George Posted March 14, 2003 Author Posted March 14, 2003 Thank you Rickvz, It's helped me in the meantime... I have done what you suggest. Yes, this is a tournaround that may work... But it also can be a nice suggestion to the support service to include a more elegant option whitout the need to open a new windows where there is no "Back" or "Close This Windows" options... Every thing can be improved isn't it? g. Quote
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