mr_lucas Posted June 8, 2004 Posted June 8, 2004 Ok for me I love FrontPage because I know it like the back of my hand I can design a site of about 25 pages in about 8 hours complete including graphics and every thing else you can think of I want to learn dreamweaver this is one of the reasons I got an account here I know the basics but I want to know it like my other hand Golive is cool to I know the basics of it but the layout of the program is kind of crowed for my taste Now you know all the editors I use oh and the first editor I used is Netscape composer 4x Quote
TCH-Rob Posted June 8, 2004 Posted June 8, 2004 Mr_Lucas, I am moving this post to our software talk forum as I believe everyone that comes here could benefit from the reasons why we use what we use. I am partial to a text editor for my PHP coding, dont really do much else at the moment. Quote
annie Posted June 8, 2004 Posted June 8, 2004 I'm in the same predicament you are. I really need some of Frontpage's features, which is why I've stuck with it. I have to use includes. But what if I could use a search and replace program to do the same thing? And would my best move be to upgrade to the latest Frontpage, or just leave it altogether? Remember that I have a site with a few hundred pages, all riddled with includes. Oh, and I started coding in Notepad! Quote
bellringr Posted June 8, 2004 Posted June 8, 2004 I never liked Frontpage because of the tons of extra crap it added to the code. Mad!!! I started out on Netscape Composer, tried Frontpage, hated it, and went to Dreamweaver (which I love!). This is now what I use at work and at home. Quote
borfast Posted June 8, 2004 Posted June 8, 2004 I never liked Frontpage because of the tons of extra crap it added to the code. Amen! I also prefer DreamWeaver, because it's by far the most standards compliant of them all. And I also find it easier to use. About frontpage, I wouldn't even call that a web page editor. It's just a simple Microsoft document editor, because it's crappy "html" code doesn't work correctly anywhere else but in Internet Explorer... Quote
natimage Posted June 8, 2004 Posted June 8, 2004 I use Dreamweaver. Started out with Frontpage because it was all I had. I also think that FP writes horrible code. It is very easy to go into Dreamweaver's code view and write ALL your code if you choose, or just clean up what it wrote for you. I use the MX version...wish I had the MX 2004 version if for no other reason than it offers "code hints" when writing CSS, just like it does for HTML. All in all if you are going to spend money and start with something new...I'd go for DWMX 2004!!! Quote
TCH-Bruce Posted June 8, 2004 Posted June 8, 2004 Well, I learned HTML with a text editor, moved to FP and thought it was great for site management. Then realized it was adding so much overhead I dropped it for my text editor. I still code in a *nix text editor but also use HTML-kit. Quote
Deverill Posted June 8, 2004 Posted June 8, 2004 I started with text editors wayyy back. That was good but it's so much nicer to see on the screen what things look like as you're adding them. I used Frontpage and left it for the same reasons of added crap. I hear it is very much better now than before about that but I don't like the way they do the navbar things. I love Dreamweaver MX04 because it gives me lots of nice tools such as on-screen CSS rendering and templates, as well as the power I want to do what I want when I want. The bottom line is that everyone has a favorite, some love WYSIWYG and others hate it, everyone's situation is different because of what they need and any tool can be good for a certain use. The best thing to do is get the free trials, one at a time, use them for the whole period and see what you like the best. Quote
annie Posted June 8, 2004 Posted June 8, 2004 Navbar? Are you talking about those java buttons? Those are crap! Don't go near them, except that time a client insisted. Quote
borfast Posted June 8, 2004 Posted June 8, 2004 I use the MX version...wish I had the MX 2004 version if for no other reason than it offers "code hints" when writing CSS, just like it does for HTML.Tracy, MX 2004 does a lot more than just that. It has far better support for CSS and a bunch of other things Check it here: http://macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/productinfo/newfeatures/ By the way, I forgot to mention that I use Bluefish for writing code (http://bluefish.openoffice.nl). Quote
Deverill Posted June 8, 2004 Posted June 8, 2004 Yes, the java buttons that are so cool and so awesome that they will take over the world except that: They are java. They are very limited in where they can go. They are hard to make behave. They look like everyone else's buttons. Quote
annie Posted June 8, 2004 Posted June 8, 2004 And don't forget: They don't work in all browsers out of the box! Hate those critters! Quote
kaseytraeger Posted June 8, 2004 Posted June 8, 2004 I'm in the same predicament you are. I really need some of Frontpage's features, which is why I've stuck with it. I have to use includes. I've never used FP to create a site or source code, so pardon my ignorance. You use a lot of includes ... are there includes that FP has that can't be duplicated in PHP? Here at work, I do have to use FP to include a date and time on my pages because we don't have PHP on our servers. So in order to get the date and time of the most recent file update to display on a page, I have to use a FP date include and reopen my source code in FP to get the date to update. I make all my changes in Crimson Editor or Textpad, but at the end of each session, I open each file and resave using FP just to get the date and time to update. Talk about stupid... Quote
DCS Posted June 8, 2004 Posted June 8, 2004 Yes, the java buttons that are so cool and so awesome that they will take over the world except that: They are java. They are very limited in where they can go. They are hard to make behave. They look like everyone else's buttons. You got that right, Jim. Thumbs Up Quote
annie Posted June 8, 2004 Posted June 8, 2004 I don't use PHP unless the page calls for it. It uses more server resources. That's not an issue on a small, low traffic site. And I don't sweat it when it's necessary, like on my forum. But I'd rather not use several includes per page in PHP, which is what would happen if I went straight from Frontpage's includes to PHP includes. My site has a lot of traffic, and static pages are an advantage, in my opinion. Also, I'm not sure if my old server even had PHP, so it wasn't even an issue before. EDIT: I don't think it had MySQL, so I never bothered getting into PHP. It might have worked for regular pages, don't know. Quote
joly Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 I'm still working on my website with FrontPage 2003. Just out of curiousity here, Dreamweaver (MX2004) seems to be the choice. I need to go look up info on Dreamweaver but maybe someone can answer me with alittle of the basics. I know nothing of coding, I let FP do that. Can a newbie like me work with Dreamweaver? I guess what I'm saying is I just put things like I like them in FP and it does the rest. Does Dreamweaver do this? One day I would like to know alittle about coding but that's in the future. Thanks! Joly Quote
TCH-Rob Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 Joly, Yes, and templates too to get you started. Quote
joly Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 Thanks Rob! Now this makes me really very interested in this! I appreciate the fast response! Joly Quote
kaseytraeger Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 Well, I learned HTML with a text editor, moved to FP and thought it was great for site management. Then realized it was adding so much overhead I dropped it for my text editor. I still code in a *nix text editor but also use HTML-kit. Rock on, Bruce! Unless I've missed a post, I think you and I are the only ones who posted here that code using a plain text editor. Yay, we're a clique of two "die-hards!" I think we should call our group the Text Editor Die Hards ... TEDH for short. Actually that sounds a bit like a hospital, doesn't it? TEDH = The Evil District Hospital (or something like that!) Quote
TCH-Dick Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 I started with FP and moved to DW. I think one the best parts of DW are the vast amount of addons. Check out the Dreamweaver Exchange , you have to buy some of them but most are free. Quote
TCH-Bruce Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 Well, I learned HTML with a text editor, moved to FP and thought it was great for site management. Then realized it was adding so much overhead I dropped it for my text editor. I still code in a *nix text editor but also use HTML-kit. Rock on, Bruce! Unless I've missed a post, I think you and I are the only ones who posted here that code using a plain text editor. Yay, we're a clique of two "die-hards!" I think we should call our group the Text Editor Die Hards ... TEDH for short. Actually that sounds a bit like a hospital, doesn't it? TEDH = The Evil District Hospital (or something like that!) Old habits are hard to break. I still like knowing the inner workings and not have it all hidden behind a drag and drop WYSIWYG editor. But those editors do have their advantage of making a quick mock up of what you want. I'm sure there are a few others that use plain text editors to do their work too. Quote
bellringr Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 I like DW because I can have the code and WYSIWYG page open on the same screen. It comes in handy when I need to tweak something. Quote
TCH-Bruce Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 I like DW because I can have the code and WYSIWYG page open on the same screen. It comes in handy when I need to tweak something. No different than sitting with the text editor open and a web broswer with the page loaded you are working on. Quote
natimage Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 I use the MX version...wish I had the MX 2004 version if for no other reason than it offers "code hints" when writing CSS, just like it does for HTML.Tracy, MX 2004 does a lot more than just that. It has far better support for CSS and a bunch of other things Check it here: http://macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/productinfo/newfeatures/ By the way, I forgot to mention that I use Bluefish for writing code (http://bluefish.openoffice.nl). Yes, Raul...I agree with your statement about DWMX 2004. I, however, will NOT go look at all the wonderful things it is offering because I canNOT afford to BUY it...which I would really want to do if I saw it. But yes...I'm sure it is much more great and wonderful than the version I'm using. But I must love mine for now!! :hug: Quote
wbragg17 Posted June 11, 2004 Posted June 11, 2004 Guess I'll just throw myself in with the text editor crowd. A good basic html editor that also has a decent preview option, especially when I am trying to mess around with my css file is hyperedit, but I think its only for Macs. Quote
borfast Posted June 11, 2004 Posted June 11, 2004 (edited) Rock on, Bruce! Unless I've missed a post, I think you and I are the only ones who posted here that code using a plain text editor.Wow, hold on a second, are you trying to lave me behind? I said I use Bluefish for writing code (http://bluefish.openoffice.nl), so don't even think of getting the geek title just for yourselves! : Edited June 11, 2004 by TCH-Raul Quote
TCH-Bruce Posted June 11, 2004 Posted June 11, 2004 Raul, I'd never leave you out. There are a bunch of geeks here. That's why I said: I'm sure there are a few others that use plain text editors to do their work too. Quote
TCH-Rob Posted June 11, 2004 Posted June 11, 2004 See Raul, nobody even paid attention to our posts. Quote
TCH-Bruce Posted June 11, 2004 Posted June 11, 2004 Sorry Rob, you were the first one to reply in this thread and did say: I am partial to a text editor for my PHP coding, dont really do much else at the moment. So welcome to the geek club. Quote
TCH-Don Posted June 11, 2004 Posted June 11, 2004 (edited) Ahem, text editor= notetab.com ftp= totalcommander Edited June 11, 2004 by TCH-Don Quote
TCH-Bruce Posted June 11, 2004 Posted June 11, 2004 Ahem,text editor= notetab.com ftp= totalcommander You're in! Quote
joly Posted June 11, 2004 Posted June 11, 2004 Now see what you all did!!! You have my curiousity up about Dreamweaver so I had to go get a How to Book today and will have to play with the program abit! LOL I'm still going to finish up my site with Frontpage for now but for the near future....I'm thinking Dreamweaver. Joly Quote
Deverill Posted June 11, 2004 Posted June 11, 2004 So welcome to the geek club. Hey Bruce! I got a higher geek score than you did and I use DreamWeaver MX2004! What makes text editors geeky? Anyone can use a text editor but how many can make a site in a WYSIWYG that's actually efficient!?! Quote
TCH-Bruce Posted June 11, 2004 Posted June 11, 2004 (edited) Hey Bruce! I got a higher geek score than you did and I use DreamWeaver MX2004! What makes text editors geeky? Anyone can use a text editor but how many can make a site in a WYSIWYG that's actually efficient!?! True, but how many can use a text editor and actually get it to look right! And you can be in the club too! Edited June 11, 2004 by TCH-Bruce Quote
samporras Posted June 11, 2004 Posted June 11, 2004 Hey guys, I haven't posted anything in a while cause i've been busy with a new job. I missed ya! I must say...between dreamweaver and frontpage, I prefer dreamweaver. We have frontpage 2003 at our office and it is a lot better than previous verisons especially if you're creating asp pages. But really I only use it to modify nested tables. I hate all of the extra crap it adds. Most of my coding I just throw on notepad. I havent' had a chance to fully play with DreamweaverMX. I'm still using 4.0! I really like it, but have been saving up so I can use the newer version with all of the extra toys! Rock on guys it's good to be back. I forgot how much I liked this forum. Quote
Deverill Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 True, but how many can use a text editor and actually get it to look right! Good point! And you can be in the club too! Shew, thought I was going to have to $t@rt t@lking l33t 0r $0|v|3thing. (translation: start talking (e)lete or something) Quote
Hockeypuck Posted June 13, 2004 Posted June 13, 2004 Add me to the text editor club. I tried out Dreamweaver once, and ended up writing all the code into it anyway, hardly using the WYSIWYG editor. Quote
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